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Greg Cossell Comments

Originally posted by susweel:
He's just a hater and knows nothing about football.

what he said
Originally posted by Joecool:
Dude knows what he's talking about. He must also hate Vick.



  1. Vick: 2010, threw the ball better but he made many plays outside of structure. Improv is random and not always good. Eventually, you must play within structure. Reid's system is QB friendly. Vick has never been a true timing/anticipation passer. He doesn't make his OL better by delivering on time. He's a "see it first" QB in that he needs to see the man open first which is why he holds the ball a beat longer than he needs. Rarely see elite QB's take the shots he takes by the DL. If PHI does not perform well vs the Saints, then you know not only is Vick not good, the entire offense is not good either. They should be able to throw the ball. Can't get more spot on than this.
  2. Falcons: Nolan wasn't a good head coach but is a very good D coordinator. Not sure why people think ATL is not that good. Explosive wideouts that win one-on-one battles that a not a lot of NFL receivers can do.
  3. Eli: Every year Eli has 3 or so games where the offense just does not look good. He struggles throughout the regular season. But he plays well in the playoffs. Agreed that clutch performances in the playoffs supersedes regular season performance. Won in his 4th year in the league gives you a mulligan for the rest of your career. Watches film of every team through a course of 3-4 weeks.
  4. Andrew Luck: He has great pocket movement. Cossell values this attribute as the most important attribute. Far more important than running out of the pocket. Great ball location when he moves within the pocket. Compares Luck to Big Ben in terms of his ability to move within the pocket. Luck and Tannehill are being asked to do the most. Wilson and Griffen work off the run game and are not being asked to do a lot within in the context of the offense.
it's called ppl hating. The funny thing is these the same folks that were upset about folks saying the same things about the Niners last year.
Originally posted by susweel:
He's just a hater and knows football.

fixed
Updated with the latest interview in the first post. This time, all Rams/49ers talk. He hates Alex so much that he didn't even talk about him.
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
SMH. Can you guys please not turn every single f**king thread into a Smith thread?

Sadly, most people hating on Cosell are only doing so because he points out Alex's weaknesses. If he wouldn't point those things out, but instead look for reasons to praise our QB, nobody here would be talking crap about him.

Bottom line: the guy watches more film than anyone here and probably knows WAY more than anyone here, but nobody here will admit that because he doesn't say what they want to hear.
[ Edited by 49erRider on Nov 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
  1. Andrew Luck: He has great pocket movement. Cossell values this attribute as the most important attribute. Far more important than running out of the pocket. Great ball location when he moves within the pocket. Compares Luck to Big Ben in terms of his ability to move within the pocket. Luck and Tannehill are being asked to do the most. Wilson and Griffen work off the run game and are not being asked to do a lot within in the context of the offense.


Pocket presence is usually what separates the best quarterbacks from everyone else.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
SMH. Can you guys please not turn every single f**king thread into a Smith thread?

Sadly, most people hating on Cosell are only doing so because he points out Alex's weaknesses. If he wouldn't point those things out, but instead look for reasons to praise our QB, nobody here would be talking crap about him.

Bottom line: the guy watches more film than anyone here and probably knows WAY more than anyone here, but nobody here will admit that because he doesn't say what they want to hear.

Disagree for reasons that I have already articulated....but this thread is not about Smith.
Originally posted by InconvenienTTruth21:
Gregory Cossell is a douche

Not one duck is given about his opinion by me

This

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Bottom line: the guy watches more film than anyone here

... and I am quite certain I watch more NINERS film than he.
He's like Maddog with more credentials
  • dj43
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Dude knows what he's talking about. He must also hate Vick.


11/9 Interview:
http://murphmac.blogspot.com/2012/11/1108-nfl-senior-producer-greg-cosell.html

  1. Bradford: he's a pocket QB that relies on the OL and is not comfortable when he's pressured. He's not terrible but he's not playing as good as he should. His OL has not been good but Bradford needs to get better in the pocket when there are people around him. He needs to play up to his draft spot.
  2. Rams Pass rush: two very good edge rushers but will only be a factor on 3rd and 7+
  3. Vernon Davis: They may not be designing plays but you really can't tell what Roman's thinking. All the film shows is that they are not going to him as much. He remembers last year seeing specifically designed plays for Vernon where they split him out and it was obvious the play was designed for him.
1/5:
http://knbrrazorandmrt.blogspot.com/2012/11/1105-mr-t-lincoln-with-senior-producer.html
  1. Vick: 2010, threw the ball better but he made many plays outside of structure. Improv is random and not always good. Eventually, you must play within structure. Reid's system is QB friendly. Vick has never been a true timing/anticipation passer. He doesn't make his OL better by delivering on time. He's a "see it first" QB in that he needs to see the man open first which is why he holds the ball a beat longer than he needs. Rarely see elite QB's take the shots he takes by the DL. If PHI does not perform well vs the Saints, then you know not only is Vick not good, the entire offense is not good either. They should be able to throw the ball. Can't get more spot on than this.
  2. Falcons: Nolan wasn't a good head coach but is a very good D coordinator. Not sure why people think ATL is not that good. Explosive wideouts that win one-on-one battles that a not a lot of NFL receivers can do.
  3. Andrew Luck: He has great pocket movement. Cossell values this attribute as the most important attribute. Far more important than running out of the pocket. Great ball location when he moves within the pocket. Compares Luck to Big Ben in terms of his ability to move within the pocket. Luck and Tannehill are being asked to do the most. Wilson and Griffen work off the run game and are not being asked to do a lot within in the context of the offense.
Bradford has been crippled by a very bad OL and lack of quality receivers. Where Cossell goes off the reservation on Bradford is saying he should be "playing up to his draft spot." Bradford can't block and run routes AND then throw the ball. The test of Bradford's value will come down the line when the Rams provide him with an effective OL and more than Danny Amendola as a pass receiver. Amendola is a nice player but he is much like Kyle Williams - quick, but not great speed.

Quinn and Long can be disruptive off the edge but that is about it. Rams will add some A gap blitzes to supplement and can be effective with that if the interior OL is not alert.

Davis has been held in to block more this season than last. Also, the lack of WR speed to pull safeties away from Vernon has also been a problem. Davis snuck up on the league last year. This season teams with good corners that can play man coverage can then double Davis and take him out of the game.

Vick has always been over-rated.

Nolan was a good DC when he was here. He just doesn't appreciate offense. Atlanta will go deep into the playoffs because of Nolan and the fact that Julio Jones and Roddy White are studs who can fly and are also strong enough to contend physically for the ball.

Luck is more advanced than most rookies, in part because he had good training from Harbaugh and Company before he left Stanford. Also, many people overlook the fact that Indy's OL was a strong point last season and continues to provide Luck with good pass protection. Also, Indy brought in THREE good, FAST WRs to go along with Reggie Wayne. Though Luck has certainly played above expectations, the personnel improvements the FO made in all areas of the team are pretty impressive. If Vick Ballard stays healthy, this team may go farther than some people think.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Dude knows what he's talking about. He must also hate Vick.


11/9 Interview:
http://murphmac.blogspot.com/2012/11/1108-nfl-senior-producer-greg-cosell.html

  1. Bradford: he's a pocket QB that relies on the OL and is not comfortable when he's pressured. He's not terrible but he's not playing as good as he should. His OL has not been good but Bradford needs to get better in the pocket when there are people around him. He needs to play up to his draft spot.
  2. Rams Pass rush: two very good edge rushers but will only be a factor on 3rd and 7+
  3. Vernon Davis: They may not be designing plays but you really can't tell what Roman's thinking. All the film shows is that they are not going to him as much. He remembers last year seeing specifically designed plays for Vernon where they split him out and it was obvious the play was designed for him.
1/5:
http://knbrrazorandmrt.blogspot.com/2012/11/1105-mr-t-lincoln-with-senior-producer.html
  1. Vick: 2010, threw the ball better but he made many plays outside of structure. Improv is random and not always good. Eventually, you must play within structure. Reid's system is QB friendly. Vick has never been a true timing/anticipation passer. He doesn't make his OL better by delivering on time. He's a "see it first" QB in that he needs to see the man open first which is why he holds the ball a beat longer than he needs. Rarely see elite QB's take the shots he takes by the DL. If PHI does not perform well vs the Saints, then you know not only is Vick not good, the entire offense is not good either. They should be able to throw the ball. Can't get more spot on than this.
  2. Falcons: Nolan wasn't a good head coach but is a very good D coordinator. Not sure why people think ATL is not that good. Explosive wideouts that win one-on-one battles that a not a lot of NFL receivers can do.
  3. Andrew Luck: He has great pocket movement. Cossell values this attribute as the most important attribute. Far more important than running out of the pocket. Great ball location when he moves within the pocket. Compares Luck to Big Ben in terms of his ability to move within the pocket. Luck and Tannehill are being asked to do the most. Wilson and Griffen work off the run game and are not being asked to do a lot within in the context of the offense.
Bradford has been crippled by a very bad OL and lack of quality receivers. Where Cossell goes off the reservation on Bradford is saying he should be "playing up to his draft spot." Bradford can't block and run routes AND then throw the ball. The test of Bradford's value will come down the line when the Rams provide him with an effective OL and more than Danny Amendola as a pass receiver. Amendola is a nice player but he is much like Kyle Williams - quick, but not great speed.

Quinn and Long can be disruptive off the edge but that is about it. Rams will add some A gap blitzes to supplement and can be effective with that if the interior OL is not alert.

Davis has been held in to block more this season than last. Also, the lack of WR speed to pull safeties away from Vernon has also been a problem. Davis snuck up on the league last year. This season teams with good corners that can play man coverage can then double Davis and take him out of the game.

Vick has always been over-rated.

Nolan was a good DC when he was here. He just doesn't appreciate offense. Atlanta will go deep into the playoffs because of Nolan and the fact that Julio Jones and Roddy White are studs who can fly and are also strong enough to contend physically for the ball.

Luck is more advanced than most rookies, in part because he had good training from Harbaugh and Company before he left Stanford. Also, many people overlook the fact that Indy's OL was a strong point last season and continues to provide Luck with good pass protection. Also, Indy brought in THREE good, FAST WRs to go along with Reggie Wayne. Though Luck has certainly played above expectations, the personnel improvements the FO made in all areas of the team are pretty impressive. If Vick Ballard stays healthy, this team may go farther than some people think.

I wish we had a Kyle Williams like receiver as our 1st option.
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Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
He's like Maddog with more credentials

lol
has Cossell commented on CK's performance yet ?
Originally posted by susweel:
has Cossell commented on CK's performance yet ?

I don't know. KNBR is usually late posting their interviews.
Latest interview posted on post #1.
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