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*** WEEK 3 NFL GAMEDAY THREAD 9/20 - 9/24 ***

Originally posted by jdt84_2:


And the other funny part. If Jennings had all this strong sturdy possession, why did tate come out of the pile with it?


why don't you tell me exactly what happens when there's 30 dudes wrestling in a dog pile.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
thats 2nd screen shot says it all. Jennings has it on his chest and tate has one arm on it. That never changes ever when they hit the ground, You cant rule that Tate is also in possession of that ball

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FHGgJtHVWzA

So this is not a catch? He never has a 2nd hand, nor does he ever bring it to his chest.

And the other funny part. If Jennings had all this strong sturdy possession, why did tate come out of the pile with it?
why did tate take his hands off the ball during the struggle leaving the ball in Jennings sole possession, only to place his hands back on the ball
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
why did tate take his hands off the ball during the struggle leaving the ball in Jennings sole possession, only to place his hands back on the ball
He did I never saw his ledthand leave. In fact, I see the ball move in an odd way because his left hand is there.

I can not tell you what happened in a group of 30guys but in a "group" of 2 with another persons hand, I have a good idea. While Jennings is laying on tates head he is trying to rip it away from tate(while tate is doing the same) while this is going on you can see the moment tate wins it and the ball pops out of Jennings chest and hands.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
why did tate take his hands off the ball during the struggle leaving the ball in Jennings sole possession, only to place his hands back on the ball
He did I never saw his ledthand leave. In fact, I see the ball move in an odd way because his left hand is there.

I can not tell you what happened in a group of 30guys but in a "group" of 2 with another persons hand, I have a good idea. While Jennings is laying on tates head he is trying to rip it away from tate(while tate is doing the same) while this is going on you can see the moment tate wins it and the ball pops out of Jennings chest and hands.

NOOOOOO. Stop trying to convince yourself it was a good call. Everyone and their mother, except for a few people who want to go against the grain, knows that was an INT. Ridiculous call. But it is over. Seattle can have their hollow victory if they want it.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
NOOOOOO. Stop trying to convince yourself it was a good call. Everyone and their mother, except for a few people who want to go against the grain, knows that was an INT. Ridiculous call. But it is over. Seattle can have their hollow victory if they want it.
Go back and read my posts. I never said I agreed with it. I said I can see why the ref made the call, it is not the worst call in the history of officiating. I don't even think it is the worst call this year ir last year.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by SportsFan:
NOOOOOO. Stop trying to convince yourself it was a good call. Everyone and their mother, except for a few people who want to go against the grain, knows that was an INT. Ridiculous call. But it is over. Seattle can have their hollow victory if they want it.
Go back and read my posts. I never said I agreed with it. I said I can see why the ref made the call, it is not the worst call in the history of officiating. I don't even think it is the worst call this year ir last year.

as an individual call vs degree of difficulty, ya. that PI earlier in the drive was more blatant.


but considering the entire scope:

scoring play that determined the outcome....
nationally televised, prime time game......
growing frustration over replacement refs over 7 weeks (incl pre-season) of poor officiating.....
growing frustration over bad calls being made over the course of that game.....
the fact that there were multiple things missed in that play.... (Off-PI that league admitted should have been called)
the fact that two referees were standing side-by-side making different calls......
the fact that the officiating crew lost complete control after that play (a scrum shouldn't have even happened, a camera man was close to/near the pile, a lot of extra players in the pile, no conference called by the head official, poor judgement made by the replay officials.)
the fact that, as the play was happening, a former referee working with the announcers says the call should have been overturned.....


yeah maybe not the "worst call ever" (considering one single isolated play) but it is definitely the final straw in this whole scab ref issue.
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
as an individual call vs degree of difficulty, ya. that PI earlier in the drive was more blatant.


but considering the entire scope:

scoring play that determined the outcome....
nationally televised, prime time game......
growing frustration over replacement refs over 7 weeks (incl pre-season) of poor officiating.....
growing frustration over bad calls being made over the course of that game.....
the fact that there were multiple things missed in that play.... (Off-PI that league admitted should have been called)
the fact that two referees were standing side-by-side making different calls......
the fact that the officiating crew lost complete control after that play (a scrum shouldn't have even happened, a camera man was close to/near the pile, a lot of extra players in the pile, no conference called by the head official, poor judgement made by the replay officials.)
the fact that, as the play was happening, a former referee working with the announcers says the call should have been overturned.....


yeah maybe not the "worst call ever" (considering one single isolated play) but it is definitely the final straw in this whole scab ref issue.
Bingo this has been my case. The ref seeing what he saw and the decision he came to does not bother me.

The 2 refs signaling different calls without communicating with each other, and the whole clusterf**k that followed is the real problem here. Hell in week one against the packers, I did not mind the late flags. as a soccer ref I would always prefer a delayed call that I processed than a quick call that was wrong.
They did a SportsScience on Tate's 'catch.' Anyone know where I might be able to find a link to it?
Originally posted by lordfangio:
They did a SportsScience on Tate's 'catch.' Anyone know where I might be able to find a link to it?
u really wanna see that??? I hate those.

"the ball leaves his hand at an astonishing 1.98746587 microseconds per half hour at a trajectory of .0987 to the second power or the root canal"
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
u really wanna see that??? I hate those.

"the ball leaves his hand at an astonishing 1.98746587 microseconds per half hour at a trajectory of .0987 to the second power or the root canal"

Haha usually no but I'm curious about this one
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