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Manning farfetched, but a possibility

Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by niners94:
Originally posted by valrod33:
A QB coming off neck surgery behind our O line

Quick release, Peyton has it.

Our O line would look amazing with Peyton behind center.

Pretty much any QB that doesn't stand there like a deer in headlights would make it look better.

Why are we taking jabs at Alex Smith this is so sad!!!!

His name was never mentioned.


Originally posted by niners94:
Originally posted by valrod33:
A QB coming off neck surgery behind our O line

Quick release, Peyton has it.

With our OL? No one's THAT quick. Releasing the ball means nothing -- that doesn't mean they won't get hit. Smith is hit almost twice as often as he is sacked.

Manning is a future hall of famer, but you guys are overrating his release. He's played behind great OL's for years. He was not sacked more than 16 times, a league low, the past two seasons. Even without him, the Colts are still tied for 14th in the NFL with only 29 sacks, and this is with them passing CONSTANTLY because they are ALWAYS behind (see 0-13 record ), so they're still in the top half of the league, probably even better considering how much they have to pass. A quicker release will decrease sack totals marginally, but not as substantially as some are suggesting.

You're going to have to weigh in the factor that Manning is pretty much stone-legged at this point in his career and not going to be able to escape the pocket and run for yardage like a mobile QB would. In the end, the sack total improvement some here are suggesting is laughable.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM ]
the reason manning isn't sacked / hit as much as smith is because defenses know he can pick them apart if they blitz. There is no fear of alex smith doing that, so they bring the house.
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This thread itself speaks largely to how front running this fanbase has become.....ITS TRULY SAD AND DISGRACEFUL!
I hate to say it, but I actually have thought about it.

I want to see how this season ends before I really entertain the notion, but it could be a real possibility. Harbaugh was the QB in Indy before Manning was drafted. They know each other. Having Harbaugh as the coach and having as many weapons on O as the Niners do plus that great D....

Stranger things have happened.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
the reason manning isn't sacked / hit as much as smith is because defenses know he can pick them apart if they blitz. There is no fear of alex smith doing that, so they bring the house.

I've heard it a thousand times. This doesn't explain why terrible QB's like Painter and Orlovsky that can't carry Alex's jock are getting sacked and hit substantially less than our QB despite passing the ball more. Same team, different QBs, same positive results as far as sacks. Do you really believe teams think Painter and Orlovsky can consistently burn them on the blitz? NO WAY!

When worse QB's are being afforded almost the same level of protect as far as sacks/hit as Peyton Manning, this should be a MASSIVE indicator that the line is much much better than people ever gave them credit for, despite limiting sack totals on Peyton year after year.

Again, with Peyton gone, and the sack totals still low, this means he had much less to do with those sack totals than people are giving him credit for. Peyton is incredible, but people need to stop and think about these things I'm pointing out here.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
With our OL? No one's THAT quick. Releasing the ball means nothing -- that doesn't mean they won't get hit. Smith is hit almost twice as often as he is sacked.

Manning is a future hall of famer, but you guys are overrating his release. He's played behind great OL's for years. He was not sacked more than 16 times, a league low, the past two seasons. Even without him, the Colts are still tied for 14th in the NFL with only 29 sacks, and this is with them passing CONSTANTLY because they are ALWAYS behind (see 0-13 record ), so they're still in the top half of the league, probably even better considering how much they have to pass. A quicker release will decrease sack totals marginally, but not as substantially as some are suggesting.

You're going to have to weigh in the factor that Manning is pretty much stone-legged at this point in his career and not going to be able to escape the pocket and run for yardage like a mobile QB would. In the end, the sack total improvement some here are suggesting is laughable.

It's not just the release, Peyton just gets rid of the ball a lot faster, and often his throws get to his receivers right as they come out of their breaks, meaning he throws his passes earlier than Alex Smith would. Everytime I watched the Colts play the last few years (which were a lot given all the national attn), Peyton would get the ball out so quick it boggled my mind. The only time he would get sacked was when there was immediate pressure up the middle. Often times Peyton would just throw the ball away just when the rusher got to him. That's something I've never seen Alex do except when he rolls out right and throws out of bounds.

I have no idea what you're talking about with your latest post as well regarding sack totals. The Colts have given up far more sacks without Peyton under center. Peyton's O-line was pretty terrible last year, esp in run blocking, but they had issues in pass pro as well that even a blind man could see, yet they only gave up 16 sacks all season. This year they've given up 29 sacks in 13 games which averages to 36 sacks in a full season. That's over twice as many sacks.

Come on, your analysis is just lazy and speculative. Terrible QB's like Painter/Orlovsky are getting sacked less than Alex... so therefore it's obviously the O-Line's fault?? I haven't seen much of the Colts this year, but give me better reasoning. Painter/Orlovsky might be worse than Alex, but that doesn't mean they have a worse propensity for taking sacks.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and if you account for number of attempts when comparing the poo-poo platter of Collins/Painter/Orlovsky to Peyton, the poo-poo platter took 29 sacks in 436 attempts... 29/436 = 6.65% sack rate, whereas Peyton took 16 sacks in 679 attempts!!! That's a sack rate of 2.36%!!! (not perfect calculations, since sack rate is actually based on dropbacks rather than attempts, but a pretty good approximation nonetheless)

So Peyton actually takes 3 times fewer sacks... that's huge!
[ Edited by dhp318 on Dec 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
With our OL? No one's THAT quick. Releasing the ball means nothing -- that doesn't mean they won't get hit. Smith is hit almost twice as often as he is sacked.

Manning is a future hall of famer, but you guys are overrating his release. He's played behind great OL's for years. He was not sacked more than 16 times, a league low, the past two seasons. Even without him, the Colts are still tied for 14th in the NFL with only 29 sacks, and this is with them passing CONSTANTLY because they are ALWAYS behind (see 0-13 record ), so they're still in the top half of the league, probably even better considering how much they have to pass. A quicker release will decrease sack totals marginally, but not as substantially as some are suggesting.

You're going to have to weigh in the factor that Manning is pretty much stone-legged at this point in his career and not going to be able to escape the pocket and run for yardage like a mobile QB would. In the end, the sack total improvement some here are suggesting is laughable.

...except the Colts are 19th in the league with 33.5 attempts per game.
Originally posted by dhp318:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
With our OL? No one's THAT quick. Releasing the ball means nothing -- that doesn't mean they won't get hit. Smith is hit almost twice as often as he is sacked.

Manning is a future hall of famer, but you guys are overrating his release. He's played behind great OL's for years. He was not sacked more than 16 times, a league low, the past two seasons. Even without him, the Colts are still tied for 14th in the NFL with only 29 sacks, and this is with them passing CONSTANTLY because they are ALWAYS behind (see 0-13 record ), so they're still in the top half of the league, probably even better considering how much they have to pass. A quicker release will decrease sack totals marginally, but not as substantially as some are suggesting.

You're going to have to weigh in the factor that Manning is pretty much stone-legged at this point in his career and not going to be able to escape the pocket and run for yardage like a mobile QB would. In the end, the sack total improvement some here are suggesting is laughable.

It's not just the release, Peyton just gets rid of the ball a lot faster, and often his throws get to his receivers right as they come out of their breaks, meaning he throws his passes earlier than Alex Smith would. Everytime I watched the Colts play the last few years (which were a lot given all the national attn), Peyton would get the ball out so quick it boggled my mind. The only time he would get sacked was when there was immediate pressure up the middle. Often times Peyton would just throw the ball away just when the rusher got to him. That's something I've never seen Alex do except when he rolls out right and throws out of bounds.

I have no idea what you're talking about with your latest post as well regarding sack totals. The Colts have given up far more sacks without Peyton under center. Peyton's O-line was pretty terrible last year, esp in run blocking, but they had issues in pass pro as well that even a blind man could see, yet they only gave up 16 sacks all season. This year they've given up 29 sacks in 13 games which averages to 36 sacks in a full season. That's over twice as many sacks.

Come on, your analysis is just lazy and speculative. Terrible QB's like Painter/Orlovsky are getting sacked less than Alex... so therefore it's obviously the O-Line's fault?? I haven't seen much of the Colts this year, but give me better reasoning. Painter/Orlovsky might be worse than Alex, but that doesn't mean they have a worse propensity for taking sacks.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and if you account for number of attempts when comparing the poo-poo platter of Collins/Painter/Orlovsky to Peyton, the poo-poo platter took 29 sacks in 436 attempts... 29/436 = 6.65% sack rate, whereas Peyton took 16 sacks in 679 attempts!!! That's a sack rate of 2.36%!!! (not perfect calculations, since sack rate is actually based on dropbacks rather than attempts, but a pretty good approximation nonetheless)

So Peyton actually takes 3 times as many sacks... that's huge!

Destruction.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I hate to say it, but I actually have thought about it.

I want to see how this season ends before I really entertain the notion, but it could be a real possibility. Harbaugh was the QB in Indy before Manning was drafted. They know each other. Having Harbaugh as the coach and having as many weapons on O as the Niners do plus that great D....

Stranger things have happened.

Will Peyton want to relinquish control of the O, going through an adjustment period of learning the system? Indy showed why you don't want to put all your offensive eggs in one basket.
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It's all about health. If Peyton is healthy then he either plays for the colts or the bidding war begins.
Originally posted by lamontb:
It's all about health. If Peyton is healthy then he either plays for the colts or the bidding war begins.

Dan Snyder is patiently waiting
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It's all about health. If Peyton is healthy then he either plays for the colts or the bidding war begins.

Dan Snyder is patiently waiting

I think there are about 25 owners patiently waiting. Not often does a quarterback like Manning becomes available.
Originally posted by lamontb:
It's all about health. If Peyton is healthy then he either plays for the colts or the bidding war begins.

Yep.