Panthers Owner Jerry Richardson

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

You're right here, but I think those free rides to get their degrees are the problem long term.

Please explain this? So it would be better for them to pay to play football and bring in billions of dollars to NCAA football in the process? HMM, I'm confused as to how athletic scholarships are the problem.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

But by saying "they" you are the one assuming all players will be broke a few years after they retire! Also the owner of the Panthers played in the NFL, and when he retired he bought/created a chain of restraunts and is now set for life. So let's not make it sound as though all players go bankrupt after football. I believe Al Davis invested his $ wisely as well.

Steve Young Jerry Rice, & Brent Jones are doing okay too.

I think you missed the bold in my statement. I agree with you but "they" as in "most" players, don't earn multimillions if even a million. Most players are out of the league after their rookie contract, and won't amount to what we all think depending on where they live, and have very little remaining along with not being mature enough to realize they should have ventured in some other forms of income be it business or something. 3 years goes by extremely fast at that young age and I'm sure most people aren't putting their thoughts into investments at age 24.

At the end of the day, the players are stupid with their money and the owners are not making as much as they should.

[ Edited by Joecool on Feb 15, 2011 at 14:23:25 ]

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

But by saying "they" you are the one assuming all players will be broke a few years after they retire! Also the owner of the Panthers played in the NFL, and when he retired he bought/created a chain of restraunts and is now set for life. So let's not make it sound as though all players go bankrupt after football. I believe Al Davis invested his $ wisely as well.

Steve Young Jerry Rice, & Brent Jones are doing okay too.

I think you missed the bold in my statement. I agree with you but "they" as in "most" players, don't earn multimillions if even a million. Most players are out of the league after their rookie contract, and won't amount to what we all think depending on where they live, and have very little remaining along with not being mature enough to realize they should have ventured in some other forms of income be it business or something. 3 years goes by extremely fast at that young age and I'm sure most people aren't putting their thoughts into investments at age 24.

At the end of the day, the players are stupid with their money and the owners are not making as much as they should.

We only hear about the players who go bankrupt, we don't hear about the success stories, so how can we be so sure that "the players are stupid with their money"?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

You're right here, but I think those free rides to get their degrees are the problem long term.

Please explain this? So it would be better for them to pay to play football and bring in billions of dollars to NCAA football in the process? HMM, I'm confused as to how athletic scholarships are the problem.

I wasn't talking about the scholarships. Looking now, it may have been what the poster I quoted was talking about. I was talking about the the free ride in classes. Not really having to do as much in class to get that degree. But trust me, I think college players should get whatever they can get from the NCAA.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

But by saying "they" you are the one assuming all players will be broke a few years after they retire! Also the owner of the Panthers played in the NFL, and when he retired he bought/created a chain of restraunts and is now set for life. So let's not make it sound as though all players go bankrupt after football. I believe Al Davis invested his $ wisely as well.

Steve Young Jerry Rice, & Brent Jones are doing okay too.

I think you missed the bold in my statement. I agree with you but "they" as in "most" players, don't earn multimillions if even a million. Most players are out of the league after their rookie contract, and won't amount to what we all think depending on where they live, and have very little remaining along with not being mature enough to realize they should have ventured in some other forms of income be it business or something. 3 years goes by extremely fast at that young age and I'm sure most people aren't putting their thoughts into investments at age 24.

At the end of the day, the players are stupid with their money and the owners are not making as much as they should.

We only hear about the players who go bankrupt, we don't hear about the success stories, so how can we be so sure that "the players are stupid with their money"?

Players are the ones who don't feel they are compensated enough and the claim is the toll the game takes on them and they need to have a financially secure life after football making it appear as if their NFL salary must increase because they only play for so many years and need to make that money last.

I only hear about players who made a more money than the average player go bankrupt. I don't hear stories about an average player.

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

You're right here, but I think those free rides to get their degrees are the problem long term.

Please explain this? So it would be better for them to pay to play football and bring in billions of dollars to NCAA football in the process? HMM, I'm confused as to how athletic scholarships are the problem.

I wasn't talking about the scholarships. Looking now, it may have been what the poster I quoted was talking about. I was talking about the the free ride in classes. Not really having to do as much in class to get that degree. But trust me, I think college players should get whatever they can get from the NCAA.

I hear you but once again not all players fall into that catagory either; A. Smith graduated in two years, he was an academic all american I believe. Matt Lienart on the other hand took ball room dancing his senior year at USC .

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

that is why you question it when you are unsure. He, nor I; am saying that Peyton is unable to truly comprehend the pertinent information......but we question whether he can or not?

Peyton and Drew now have the opportunity to demonstrate that they do now how to keep up in these meetings....but I question if they can.

Its not really offensive at all, nobody can blame a Pro Football Player for not understanding. I wouldn't be able to understand them. I think all Mr. Richardson is pointing out is that owners are going to have a hard time having a productive meeting if they can't get really technical with the numbers. I think he is more frustrated with the lack of a true Business person representing the players

So in conjunction with Richardson's other statements, you think he was simply being helpful when telling Manning he doesn't think he understands how to read the charts?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

You're right here, but I think those free rides to get their degrees are the problem long term.

Please explain this? So it would be better for them to pay to play football and bring in billions of dollars to NCAA football in the process? HMM, I'm confused as to how athletic scholarships are the problem.

I wasn't talking about the scholarships. Looking now, it may have been what the poster I quoted was talking about. I was talking about the the free ride in classes. Not really having to do as much in class to get that degree. But trust me, I think college players should get whatever they can get from the NCAA.

I hear you but once again not all players fall into that catagory either; A. Smith graduated in two years, he was an academic all american I believe. Matt Lienart on the other hand took ball room dancing his senior year at USC .

Too bad all that dancing didn't help Lienart with his footwork.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

LOL, you really think 12-15 million isn't enough to retire off of? And inflation is irrelevant because investments will make up for that.

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:
I think he is pissed because Andrew Luck saw who was picking first and decided to stay another year.

Agreed. I wonder if a lockout occurs and next season is canceled, if the lockout is lifted right after, do the Panthers get the #1 pick again?

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

LOL, you really think 12-15 million isn't enough to retire off of? And inflation is irrelevant because investments will make up for that.

At what age did you even start hearing conversations about investments in your groups. These guys earn this money from 22-26 years of age on average. It's the state of mind/maturity that's lacking.

Give a 40-60 year-old $1 million and he will know what to do with it. Give a 24 year-old that money and it's not the same thing. Yeah, you have exceptions who have parents that guide them with that or they do it themselves. On the other hand, you have the majority who's extended family is looking for a handout.

Originally posted by Joecool:

At what age did you even start hearing conversations about investments in your groups. These guys earn this money from 22-26 years of age on average. It's the state of mind/maturity that's lacking.

Probably around 21 or 22.

Originally posted by JerryRice1848:

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:
I think he is pissed because Andrew Luck saw who was picking first and decided to stay another year.

Agreed. I wonder if a lockout occurs and next season is canceled, if the lockout is lifted right after, do the Panthers get the #1 pick again?

Heyyyyyy. lol thats damn near a plausible theory.

He's just pissed that his team f**king sucks and that Brees kicks his ass every year...How the f**k is this fool the leader for all the owners?

I love to hear a bunch of jealous white guys wine about young black men making millions of dollars.

LMAO