Panthers Owner Jerry Richardson

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

[ Edited by Joecool on Feb 15, 2011 at 13:25:57 ]

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

that is why you question it when you are unsure. He, nor I; am saying that Peyton is unable to truly comprehend the pertinent information......but we question whether he can or not?

Peyton and Drew now have the opportunity to demonstrate that they do now how to keep up in these meetings....but I question if they can.

Its not really offensive at all, nobody can blame a Pro Football Player for not understanding. I wouldn't be able to understand them. I think all Mr. Richardson is pointing out is that owners are going to have a hard time having a productive meeting if they can't get really technical with the numbers. I think he is more frustrated with the lack of a true Business person representing the players

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

that is why you question it when you are unsure. He, nor I; am saying that Peyton is unable to truly comprehend the pertinent information......but we question whether he can or not?

Peyton and Drew now have the opportunity to demonstrate that they do now how to keep up in these meetings....but I question if they can.

Its not really offensive at all, nobody can blame a Pro Football Player for not understanding. I wouldn't be able to understand them. I think all Mr. Richardson is pointing out is that owners are going to have a hard time having a productive meeting if they can't get really technical with the numbers. I think he is more frustrated with the lack of a true Business person representing the players

So in conjunction with Richardson's other statements, you think he was simply being helpful when telling Manning he doesn't think he understands how to read the charts?

I think he is pissed because Andrew Luck saw who was picking first and decided to stay another year.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

That IS the problem with the players. They treat this like a normal 40yr career. They're not doctors or lawyers who mainly just need their brains to function properly to do their jobs. They should understand that this is a temporary job and they should learn another trade while they have the means to do so. Steve Young got a law degree. There's that a tons of other things players can do to prepare for life after football, which is usually after their late 20's.

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

that is why you question it when you are unsure. He, nor I; am saying that Peyton is unable to truly comprehend the pertinent information......but we question whether he can or not?

Peyton and Drew now have the opportunity to demonstrate that they do now how to keep up in these meetings....but I question if they can.

Its not really offensive at all, nobody can blame a Pro Football Player for not understanding. I wouldn't be able to understand them. I think all Mr. Richardson is pointing out is that owners are going to have a hard time having a productive meeting if they can't get really technical with the numbers. I think he is more frustrated with the lack of a true Business person representing the players

So in conjunction with Richardson's other statements, you think he was simply being helpful when telling Manning he doesn't think he understands how to read the charts?

ABSOLUTELY.

Do you work in corporate America?

I do.

Trust me, the most challenging part of meetings is getting the RIGHT people into the meeting. The most productive meetings I have ever been to were the ones with a strong leader stepping up and saying...you, you and you are dismissed.....we need...so and so instead.

Lets assume for a moment that Peyton and Drew are not understanding the advanced revenue charts. Can a meeting be successful if that is indeed the case??

My answer is that it is doubtful that it could be successful. Pointing out anything that precludes success is being helpful.

Or do you think just being nice and not hurting anyones feelings is what these negotiations really need?

[ Edited by danimal on Feb 15, 2011 at 13:40:30 ]

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

brees and manning shouldnt be in the meeting anyways, neither of them are their teams union reps

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

[ Edited by danimal on Feb 15, 2011 at 13:52:17 ]

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

I'm sure it was an exaggeration to make his point, but his point was a bad one. Most players don't make Manning type money or anything close. The avg salary is around 800k. The avg career is 3 or 4 years. After taxes, they'll be lucky to be able to buy a nice house, especially if they play in an area like San Francisco or DC.

As far as Peyton's ability to read a revenue chart, I don't question it because I don't have a clue as to what he can read. But that certainly wasn't an attempt to be helpful. He just wanted to be a dick.

that is why you question it when you are unsure. He, nor I; am saying that Peyton is unable to truly comprehend the pertinent information......but we question whether he can or not?

Peyton and Drew now have the opportunity to demonstrate that they do now how to keep up in these meetings....but I question if they can.

Its not really offensive at all, nobody can blame a Pro Football Player for not understanding. I wouldn't be able to understand them. I think all Mr. Richardson is pointing out is that owners are going to have a hard time having a productive meeting if they can't get really technical with the numbers. I think he is more frustrated with the lack of a true Business person representing the players

So in conjunction with Richardson's other statements, you think he was simply being helpful when telling Manning he doesn't think he understands how to read the charts?

ABSOLUTELY.

Do you work in corporate America?

I do.

Trust me, the most challenging part of meetings is getting the RIGHT people into the meeting. The most productive meetings I have ever been to were the ones with a strong leader stepping up and saying...you, you and you are dismissed.....we need...so and so instead.

Lets assume for a moment that Peyton and Drew are not understanding the advanced revenue charts. Can a meeting be successful if that is indeed the case??

My answer is that it is doubtful that it could be successful. Pointing out anything that precludes success is being helpful.

Or do you think just being nice and not hurting anyones feelings is what these negotiations really need?

It's not about whether they can or can't read the revenue charts. It's about him calling them out during an official meeting about something that is not his job to assist them with under those circumstances. If he's concerned about the meeting progressing with the people involved understanding the information, how difficult is it to tell the player's reps to make sure those involved understands these revenue charts? Also, I doubt the success of the meeting hinged on Manning understanding the revenue charts. If Richardson's overarching concern is people on the player side understanding the charts, that's something he should address before the meeting starts. It's not about being nice, it's about handling things in a professional manner.

If the quotes are correct, he then proceeds to use foul language during the meeting to counter a retired player's statistics and grossly exaggerate how much money the players are making. This doesn't sound like someone who's interested in being helpful to the players.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

But by saying "they" you are the one assuming all players will be broke a few years after they retire! Also the owner of the Panthers played in the NFL, and when he retired he bought/created a chain of restraunts and is now set for life. So let's not make it sound as though all players go bankrupt after football. I believe Al Davis invested his $ wisely as well.

Steve Young Jerry Rice, & Brent Jones are doing okay too.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:

Originally posted by danimal:
I totally agree with him myself

Really? Totally agree? You think players make enough in 3 years to buy a team? Or that Peyton Manning can't read whatever they were talking about reading?

I think the 3 years thing was an exaggeration to drive home a point, and I do question Peyton Mannings understanding of revenue charts

Players don't make ridiculous amounts of money considering their career span. Certain players make ridiculous amounts of money and this is why most players lose their money long after retirement because most players don't make $10 million a year.

You make 3 million for 4-5 years but will live until 65. That's retirement or out of the league by age 28-33. That's about 40 years of no income. Now consider inflation and that 12-15 million won't be worth crap 40 years from now.

The problem is that players stupidly assume their NFL "career" will set them for life when all it really is is nothing but a 4-10 year stint. These guys put their entire life into this cash when they should have backup plans.

They get more time off than most people yet they still can't find time to learn something or get into something else for the long run?

Who are "THEY"?

Some players play for 20 years (Rice/Favre)! Do you really believe Peyton Manning will be broke a few years (4-10 years) after he retires?

"They" as in the players. Some players player 20 years so is the average career span of an NFL player 20 years? It's in the single digits. We only see and hear the 10+ year icons but never hear about the hundreds of guys who don't last past their first contract.

What about their Degrees?

Sorry, you are just not going to convince me that a person with a college degree combined with earning a few million dollars for a few years doesn't have the resources to be setup for life.

I am setup for life just with a similar degree that the average player has minus the 3 to 5 year earnings of NFL minimums

and don't forget these guys all had free rides to get their degrees as well

You're right here, but I think those free rides to get their degrees are the problem long term.