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stupid shannahan

i dont really like shanahan and for those of you who are gonna say he was a great OC for us.. thats great.. i was two years old when that happened lol.

but i was just looking at a bunch of players from the 1994 championship team on wikipedia and i realized quite a few had 3 championships.. 1 with the niners.. and 2 with denver... he went to denver.. had a HOF of QB and TE and some good receivers and a safety.. then he took a bunch of quality players from the niners and that is why he was successful. after all that ended.. he was garbage and that goes to show the same in washington.

i dont like him very much cause i didnt like him in denver in the last few years and i hate the way he has treated mcnabb.
mcnabb did it to himself by sucking. I'll take a guy who gave Elway his best years, made Plummer, Brister, and Cutler look great over a fat choker like McFlab.
[ Edited by binary2nd on Jan 15, 2011 at 4:10 AM ]
Originally posted by binary2nd:
mcnabb did it to himself by sucking. I'll take a guy who gave Elway his best years, made Plummer, Brister, and Cutler look great over a fat choker like McFlab.

he may have gave elway his best years but maybe it was the system. he didnt make brister look great.. plummer one good year.. and cutler is still doing what he was doing in denver... with chicago. but even better. so i dont give him credit for that. cutler just is a talent.
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Mike Shanahan is one of the sharpest offensive minds within the Walsh tree. You can't blame him for making Denver a powerhouse. Its what teams do.

Moreover he took a bunch of late draft picks and made them into champions. Instant respect.
The kid needs to actually watch those teams in action instead of using the Wikipedia crutch to look up "what football was like when he was 2 years old."

You are obviously way too young to appreciate what Mike Shanahan has accomplished in the NFL which is quite unfortunate.
he never coached under walsh. only seifert. and he actually coached elway for 8-9 years. he was there coordinator from i think 84-87 or whatever. he only had one late round pick that i can think of that was great and that was that running back. terrell davis
Take Terrell Davis out of the equation and both Elway and Shan start to look somewhat overrated. They both attract some respect for what they did without him. But if you take out 97 and 98 Shanahan's record starts to look very ordinary. And in my view he should have been able to achieve much more in all that time if he was indeed that good.

I rated him highly when he was with us and was very sorry to lose him. But, as I say, a head coach should not be so dependent on one player. Excluding the two Super Bowl years, how many playoff games did he win? One. In 17 years.
Originally posted by English:
Take Terrell Davis out of the equation and both Elway and Shan start to look somewhat overrated. They both attract some respect for what they did without him. But if you take out 97 and 98 Shanahan's record starts to look very ordinary. And in my view he should have been able to achieve much more in all that time if he was indeed that good.

I rated him highly when he was with us and was very sorry to lose him. But, as I say, a head coach should not be so dependent on one player. Excluding the two Super Bowl years, how many playoff games did he win? One. In 17 years.

ontop of that.. talk about a man that doesnt know how to build a defence. he was givin a great defence with steve atwater in the backfield.
Originally posted by binary2nd:
mcnabb did it to himself by sucking. I'll take a guy who gave Elway his best years, made Plummer, Brister, and Cutler look great over a fat choker like McFlab.

not really the skins Oline is the worst in the NFL
Originally posted by tankle104:
he never coached under walsh. only seifert. and he actually coached elway for 8-9 years. he was there coordinator from i think 84-87 or whatever. he only had one late round pick that i can think of that was great and that was that running back. terrell davis

defenSe

Mike Anderson
ruben Droughns
Olandis Gary
Tatum Bell
Mike Bell
Ryan Torain

Im still trying to figure out the point to this thread.
[ Edited by jojomellon on Jan 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM ]
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Originally posted by jojomellon:
Originally posted by tankle104:
he never coached under walsh. only seifert. and he actually coached elway for 8-9 years. he was there coordinator from i think 84-87 or whatever. he only had one late round pick that i can think of that was great and that was that running back. terrell davis

defenSe

Mike Anderson
ruben Droughns
Olandis Gary
Tatum Bell
Mike Bell
Ryan Torain

Im still trying to figure out the point to this thread.

It is not really that hard to figure out... He thinks Shannahan is an overrated coach.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by binary2nd:
mcnabb did it to himself by sucking. I'll take a guy who gave Elway his best years, made Plummer, Brister, and Cutler look great over a fat choker like McFlab.

he may have gave elway his best years but maybe it was the system. he didnt make brister look great.. plummer one good year.. and cutler is still doing what he was doing in denver... with chicago. but even better. so i dont give him credit for that. cutler just is a talent.

Plummer's one good year magically appeared after many bad in Arizona. Cutler is a different qb and definitely throws more int's. Shannahan made one of the smartest trade moves of the recent generation trading Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey straight up. Shut down corners are a rarity and marginal to good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm sorry many will agree that Shannahan has been one of the best HC's in recent years
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As others have mentioned he could fish a 1,000 yard rusher out of a soup kitchen. I was surprised he didn't do well this year, maybe he lost his touch? I think something happened between him and McNabb, I would like to see Donovan in a 49er uniform till we develop a rookie QB. What is with the McNabb hate? If he is a big game choker so is Steve Young and Peyton Manning. His 9-7 play-off record is similar to Young's 8-6 and better than Manning's 9-10.
[ Edited by BobS on Jan 15, 2011 at 11:44 AM ]
Originally posted by mryan1004:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by binary2nd:
mcnabb did it to himself by sucking. I'll take a guy who gave Elway his best years, made Plummer, Brister, and Cutler look great over a fat choker like McFlab.

he may have gave elway his best years but maybe it was the system. he didnt make brister look great.. plummer one good year.. and cutler is still doing what he was doing in denver... with chicago. but even better. so i dont give him credit for that. cutler just is a talent.

Plummer's one good year magically appeared after many bad in Arizona. Cutler is a different qb and definitely throws more int's. Shannahan made one of the smartest trade moves of the recent generation trading Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey straight up. Shut down corners are a rarity and marginal to good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm sorry many will agree that Shannahan has been one of the best HC's in recent years

Which accounts for his amazing playoff record.

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Originally posted by Envy:
Mike Shanahan is one of the sharpest offensive minds within the Walsh tree. You can't blame him for making Denver a powerhouse. Its what teams do.

Moreover he took a bunch of late draft picks and made them into champions. Instant respect.

he didnt make Denver a powerhouse. John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe did. the Broncos fell to mediocre status when those 3 retired, and he hasnt put together a high caliber football team since.

Shanahan is a great OC, but as a HC hes extremely overrated.