Aaron Rodgers....where would we be?

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Not 6th ring but we'd definitely be in the playoffs

Agreed. It was a huge mistake selecting Smith. Many people said that on Draft Day.

Originally posted by Sinsation:
we'd be in the same boat...Nolan would have thrown him under the bus...

anyone that thinks different srsly underestimates how valuable it was for him to sit behind Favre and have continuity with an offensive minded head coach for...3 yrs...

I disagree. Yes, Alex was thrown into the fire. But now our team is stacked with offensive weapons and a solid defense. If you have the talent, you'll eventually rise to the occassion.

Look at Payton Manning, he was thrown into the fire when he began his career with the Colts and went through a losing record. But he managed to rise to the occassion while his team added talented players...

If the guy has the talent and mental toughness and persistence, he'll rise and overcome the obstacles. If he can't overcome past failures, then we can argue that he doesn't have that winning mentality. No more excuses for Smith this year.

The reason why I doubt Smith is his accuracy is horrible. If you compare other 2nd tier QBs (even Kolb or Schuab) to Smith, just based on accuracy, Smith blows.

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Not 6th ring but we'd definitely be in the playoffs

Originally posted by YorkHater:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by Snider8706:
we'd be on our sixth ring.

Yes because the might Aaron Rodgers would have made Brandon Lloyd and Arnaz Battle superstars of the NFL

Who knows what would have happened. It's possible that we wouldn't have Willis if Rodgers was our QB. There's no guarantee that we go 7-9 in year 2. Hell if Rodgers was our QB you don't think he'd be lobbying for his boy Desean Jackson. He might be a Niner right now.

It could have played it out for the better in some areas, but worse in other areas. We don't know. What we do know is if we stuck Rodgers on this team he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a Super Bowl contender right now and that's not the case with Alex.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Aug 19, 2010 at 10:46:46 ]

Tom Brady

Oh where would we be?

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all. So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all. So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

sho nuff

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. [b][b]Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all.[/b][/b] So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

I wouldn't say that. It's a quarterback league and you have to be smoking some good sh*t if you think we're better off taking a bust over what looks to be a top 3 QB.

Things definetily would be different but I have time believing we'd be worse off.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all. So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

Thank u Blizz. Some people just don't understand for every cause there is an effect. And we may have been worse off for drafting Rodgers. I love our team's chances this year.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. [b][b]Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all.[/b][/b] So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

I wouldn't say that. It's a quarterback league and you have to be smoking some good sh*t if you think we're better off taking a bust over what looks to be a top 3 QB.

Things definetily would be different but I have time believing we'd be worse off.

So you believe we'd still have Willis, VD, Crabtree, Staley, Lawson, etc.? I'm not saying Rodgers isn't a great QB but things would have been completely different. We may still have Kwame Harris at OT, Derek Smith our MLB, Eric Johnson at TE. Are we better with them and Rodgers or who we have now with Alex?

Originally posted by ginseng1000:

Originally posted by Sinsation:
we'd be in the same boat...Nolan would have thrown him under the bus...

anyone that thinks different srsly underestimates how valuable it was for him to sit behind Favre and have continuity with an offensive minded head coach for...3 yrs...

I disagree. Yes, Alex was thrown into the fire. But now our team is stacked with offensive weapons and a solid defense. If you have the talent, you'll eventually rise to the occassion.

Look at Payton Manning, he was thrown into the fire when he began his career with the Colts and went through a losing record. But he managed to rise to the occassion while his team added talented players...

If the guy has the talent and mental toughness and persistence, he'll rise and overcome the obstacles. If he can't overcome past failures, then we can argue that he doesn't have that winning mentality. No more excuses for Smith this year.

The reason why I doubt Smith is his accuracy is horrible. If you compare other 2nd tier QBs (even Kolb or Schuab) to Smith, just based on accuracy, Smith blows.

If we had Rodgers and the team did much better... would the TEAM be as talented? We wouldn't have had the same draft positions. Maybe we would still have Nolan.

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Anyone heard of the Butterfly Effect? Say we drafted Rodgers, and hypothetically he won us a few more games in his first couple years.....so with those few more wins, we would have drafted lower. Which possibly would have meant no VD, Crabs, Lawson, Staley or god forbid...Patrick Willis. So no best TE or MLB in the NFL. [b][b]Therefore you can make a case that drafting Alex and all the bad things that happened, that in all honest we are probably a better team because of it all.[/b][/b] So I'll be the first to say it....Thank You Alex and tear it up this year!!!

I wouldn't say that. It's a quarterback league and you have to be smoking some good sh*t if you think we're better off taking a bust over what looks to be a top 3 QB.

Things definetily would be different but I have time believing we'd be worse off.

So you believe we'd still have Willis, VD, Crabtree, Staley, Lawson, etc.? I'm not saying Rodgers isn't a great QB but things would have been completely different. We may still have Kwame Harris at OT, Derek Smith our MLB, Eric Johnson at TE. Are we better with them and Rodgers or who we have now with Alex?

Lawson and Staley are guarantees to be on our team either way. We moved up from the 2nd round to get those guys.

As for Davis and Willis. We went 4-12 with a rookie QB and I don't think Rodgers makes a difference there. The next year we go 7-9 but if you look at those games all but 1 or 2 of those games were complete blowouts and Rodgers wasn't going to make a difference there either. Chances are we still end with those guys. Of course it's not a guarantee, but just because we win another game and select 9th or 13th doesn't mean Davis and Willis are off the board either. If we really liked the guy whose to say we wouldn't move up too?

We probally don't have Crabtree but we might have Desean Jackson. Whose to say that Rodgers wouldn't lobby for his boy to come in. God knows we desperately needed a receiver at that time.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Aug 19, 2010 at 11:26:54 ]

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by titan:
^^^The big reason why we have a new offense every year cause it wasn't working! For some crazy reason Rodgers made it work. An offense that Smith had a chance to make it happen.

No. Offensive coordinators were being hired away to be head coaches. Nolan then hired the best of who was available (except for Hostler).

McCarthy - hired away to GB
Turner - hired away to SD (Smith showed some promise, I think a better "what if" would be... what if Turner hadn't left)
Hostler - disaster, sucked
Martz - egomaniac, favored his own INT machine in JTO, Nolan's crazy attempt to save his own job. Singletary didn't want him.

Yeah... all Smith's fault.

I realize many of you want Smith gone, that may very well happen after this season.

For some crazy reason majority of those OC coordinators were successful with their new QB's as soon as they were hired.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by titan:
^^^The big reason why we have a new offense every year cause it wasn't working! For some crazy reason Rodgers made it work. An offense that Smith had a chance to make it happen.

No. Offensive coordinators were being hired away to be head coaches. Nolan then hired the best of who was available (except for Hostler).

McCarthy - hired away to GB
Turner - hired away to SD (Smith showed some promise, I think a better "what if" would be... what if Turner hadn't left)
Hostler - disaster, sucked
Martz - egomaniac, favored his own INT machine in JTO, Nolan's crazy attempt to save his own job. Singletary didn't want him.

Yeah... all Smith's fault.

I realize many of you want Smith gone, that may very well happen after this season.

For some crazy reason majority of those OC coordinators were successful with their new QB's as soon as they were hired.

This basically sums it up right here.

Marc Bulger was a pro bowl QB under Martz
A. Rodgers is exceled in the 1st year with McCarthy
Rivers excelled in the 1st year Turner took over in SD

It could be that Alex got Hostler fired rather than Hostler was a bad coach?

No more excuses. I can see it coming though. People will start to blame Raye.