Tim Ruskell as GM or VP? | Page 3

Dec 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Kauaiguy
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Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

This is like giving George Seifert all the credit for Winning the Superbowl in 1989 when CLEARLY, the players he had were the one's Bill Walsh put together. If Walsh had stayed a couple more years, it would have been a back to back Superbowl for him and may have even been a 3-peat!

If you read what Fox sport is saying about Ruskell today, they didn't think he was so hot.

Quote "He has presided over decisions including failed top draft choices, expensive free-agent busts" Unquote.

[ Edited by Kauaiguy on Dec 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM ]

Dec 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM

#32

DaveWilcox
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Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
Originally posted by Zagnut:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

Thanks for the info. May I ask where u find info like this? I would like to use your source to look up draft picks from other GM's as well.

As for these picks from Ruskell, I see the following good picks:

Carlson 2008 (2nd round)
Forsett 2008 (7th round)
Mebane 2007 (3rd round)
Schmitt 2008 (5th round)

I am iffy on Tatupu due to his decline even before his latest injuries. Same with Tapp.

Notice the results on their 1st round picks. The jury is still out for Curry and the rest of the 2009 draft, but the previous years are pretty much disappointments/busts.

Another question: Was it Ruskell or Holmgren that traded their multiple picks (don't remember how many 1st rders) for Branch?

It was Ruskell who traded the #1 pcik for Branch, then signed him to a huge contract that he hasn't come close to earning.

Ruskell was fired for all intents and purposes because the team, under his stewardship was going nowhere.

Dec 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM

#33

valrod33
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Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
Originally posted by Zagnut:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

Thanks for the info. May I ask where u find info like this? I would like to use your source to look up draft picks from other GM's as well.

As for these picks from Ruskell, I see the following good picks:

Carlson 2008 (2nd round)
Forsett 2008 (7th round)
Mebane 2007 (3rd round)
Schmitt 2008 (5th round)

I am iffy on Tatupu due to his decline even before his latest injuries. Same with Tapp.

Notice the results on their 1st round picks. The jury is still out for Curry and the rest of the 2009 draft, but the previous years are pretty much disappointments/busts.

Another question: Was it Ruskell or Holmgren that traded their multiple picks (don't remember how many 1st rders) for Branch?

I found it here, it goes all the way back to 1967, you have to be an ESPN Insider though
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/history

I agree with you im not all that impressed with his draft selections.

Branch was traded in 2006 so that is Ruskell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2583149

it was just 1 first rounder
Hours earlier, Seattle acquired Brady's favorite target-turned-holdout for a first-round draft choice in 2007

Dec 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM

#34

kronik
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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
Originally posted by Zagnut:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

Thanks for the info. May I ask where u find info like this? I would like to use your source to look up draft picks from other GM's as well.

As for these picks from Ruskell, I see the following good picks:

Carlson 2008 (2nd round)
Forsett 2008 (7th round)
Mebane 2007 (3rd round)
Schmitt 2008 (5th round)

I am iffy on Tatupu due to his decline even before his latest injuries. Same with Tapp.

Notice the results on their 1st round picks. The jury is still out for Curry and the rest of the 2009 draft, but the previous years are pretty much disappointments/busts.

Another question: Was it Ruskell or Holmgren that traded their multiple picks (don't remember how many 1st rders) for Branch?

It was Ruskell who traded the #1 pcik for Branch, then signed him to a huge contract that he hasn't come close to earning.

Ruskell was fired for all intents and purposes because the team, under his stewardship was going nowhere.

Agreed 100%. I am curious what icedawg is talking about. What great defensive picks is he referring to?

[ Edited by kronik on Dec 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM ]

Dec 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM

#35

HoneyBadger49er
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why

Dec 3, 2009 at 3:24 PM

#36

nvninerfan1
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Maybe Eddy Haskell. He seemed to get under the Beaves skin years ago.

Dec 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM

#37

DaveWilcox
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Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Maybe Eddy Haskell. He seemed to get under the Beaves skin years ago.

Ward was hard on the Beaver last night.

Dec 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM

#38

Paul
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WELL EXCUSE ME

Dec 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM

#39

steiber
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I know this is a little off topic, but I went on there and looked at New Englands drafts since Belicheat has taken over and his drafts haven't been very good at all. When you look at all the picks they've had and the few players still on the team is very low. They are good at picking OL, but not much else. Free agency seems to be keeping them going.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
Originally posted by Zagnut:
Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

Thanks for the info. May I ask where u find info like this? I would like to use your source to look up draft picks from other GM's as well.

As for these picks from Ruskell, I see the following good picks:

Carlson 2008 (2nd round)
Forsett 2008 (7th round)
Mebane 2007 (3rd round)
Schmitt 2008 (5th round)

I am iffy on Tatupu due to his decline even before his latest injuries. Same with Tapp.

Notice the results on their 1st round picks. The jury is still out for Curry and the rest of the 2009 draft, but the previous years are pretty much disappointments/busts.

Another question: Was it Ruskell or Holmgren that traded their multiple picks (don't remember how many 1st rders) for Branch?

I found it here, it goes all the way back to 1967, you have to be an ESPN Insider though
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/history

I agree with you im not all that impressed with his draft selections.

Branch was traded in 2006 so that is Ruskell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2583149

it was just 1 first rounder
Hours earlier, Seattle acquired Brady's favorite target-turned-holdout for a first-round draft choice in 2007