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Does Nolan's success make you question...well everything??

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
Yeah, I still question why he threw a challenge flag on a Field Goal?!?? He's just not that good of a coach and I can't see them being 6-0 with him in the driver's seat.

Props to McDaniels (and Nolan, too), though I think they're playing at max potential and still expect the Chargers to make it close come playoff time. Just like last year.


I just don't see it in the Chargers. There pass rush is non-existent, and they really miss their nose tackle. On offense, I really think LT has seen his better days and their WRs with the exception of one don't scare anyone.

That is the injury that does not get talked about enough. If you don't have a NT, you don't have a 3-4...that is why there is only a few good 3-4 teams...Chargers use to be one of the few good 3-4 teams, not because of Merriman...because of Jamal Williams(thats his name right?)

Anyway, Denver has been playing good all season long now, so Nolan is definitely a tad more relevant in the NFL than anyone would have thought reading on this forum last year. Again, while everyone is pointing out now that he is a good DC and not a good HC, they surely were not saying that then
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Nope, he got placed with a coach that has a system! The coach came over and got rid of the starting QB for a boat load of draft picks and is still putting up good numbers on offense. The defense is doing great because of the system the head coach brought over not because of the D-Coordinator.

Not to take anything away from Nolan, he is a good D-Coordinator. He benefitted from a great system in Baltimore as well, we all seen what happens if the system around him is out of sink both in Washington and here in SF.

LOL the system? What system?

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[ Edited by 9erfanAUS on Oct 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM ]
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
Yeah, I still question why he threw a challenge flag on a Field Goal?!?? He's just not that good of a coach and I can't see them being 6-0 with him in the driver's seat.

Props to McDaniels (and Nolan, too), though I think they're playing at max potential and still expect the Chargers to make it close come playoff time. Just like last year.


I just don't see it in the Chargers. There pass rush is non-existent, and they really miss their nose tackle. On offense, I really think LT has seen his better days and their WRs with the exception of one don't scare anyone.

i agree that they don't have much going on for them right now, but Rivers makes them a formidable opponent every week. They were kinda in the same boat last year as Jamal wasn't doing much. I think alot of it IS coaching in SD. I've got to think that if Nolan was coaching their Defense, they wouldn't look so lost.
So, is the question really, "do we question the decision to go with Singletary over Nolan?" MN has them playing ferociously but couldn't do that with our squad, which Singletary almost immediately seemed to command more from. So, what is Sing doing that Nolan couldn't? Does he simply get more respect and they play harder for him, was Nolan simply in the wrong system, what's been the difference?
Originally posted by danimal:
What does this defensive turn around in Denver mean? Is it meaningless, coincidence...or does it somehow imply he was less of the problem and we still have a lot of dead weight around......

I did predict last year that Nolan would be a HC again at some point, most zoners disagree but I just think that the reputation the Niners have as an organization is one where no coaches really get blamed for failing in SF too much.

Remember everybody, 99% of this forum thought Nolan was a horrible football coach after his reign. And though I am sure many of you are now claiming you still thought he would be a great DC, nobody was posting that over the last 9 months.

All I know is I am one of the most pessimistic zoners on the board, and Nolan leading a top 6-0 Defense now is not helping any

i posted it
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
So, is the question really, "do we question the decision to go with Singletary over Nolan?" MN has them playing ferociously but couldn't do that with our squad, which Singletary almost immediately seemed to command more from. So, what is Sing doing that Nolan couldn't? Does he simply get more respect and they play harder for him, was Nolan simply in the wrong system, what's been the difference?

That is so not the question. The question is actually just for the fans to rethink their own evaluations of their beloved 49ers. This is certainly not questioning whether he should have been fired or not.

The bottom line is this, when the masses of Niner fans get together and decide someone is an idiot, that does not make it true. It was convenient to believe Nolan was a bumbling idiot right up to and after he got fired....because guess what that means...that means we get to continue to over estimate the other aspects of the team...mgmt, other coaches...players.

Now would be a natural point for a rational person to revaluate what happened here and the team he left behind. Nolan is 6-0 and the Niners just got their ASSES kicked. Again if your goal is to always keep the Niners in the most positive light then sure there is still many explanations.

But if you have an open mind about it, you have to at least consider that maybe Nolan is not as bad as you thought and the teams he had to make do with in SF were not nearly as good as you may have thought.
The 3-4 looks alot better when the outside linebackers can actually get to the QB. Good thing for Nolan that Dummervil was already there.

To me what he does with the rest of his career is irrelvant, because it was never going to happen here. He failed and he the lost the team. End of story.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Oct 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM ]
Originally posted by GEEK:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Mike Nolan teaming up with Norv Turner for the Panthers position.

norv turner will never get another hc job again. nolan maybe but not norv, this dude failed with every team hes been on. if anything the panthers job is going to cowher
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
So, is the question really, "do we question the decision to go with Singletary over Nolan?" MN has them playing ferociously but couldn't do that with our squad, which Singletary almost immediately seemed to command more from. So, what is Sing doing that Nolan couldn't? Does he simply get more respect and they play harder for him, was Nolan simply in the wrong system, what's been the difference?

That is so not the question. The question is actually just for the fans to rethink their own evaluations of their beloved 49ers. This is certainly not questioning whether he should have been fired or not.

The bottom line is this, when the masses of Niner fans get together and decide someone is an idiot, that does not make it true. It was convenient to believe Nolan was a bumbling idiot right up to and after he got fired....because guess what that means...that means we get to continue to over estimate the other aspects of the team...mgmt, other coaches...players.

Now would be a natural point for a rational person to revaluate what happened here and the team he left behind. Nolan is 6-0 and the Niners just got their ASSES kicked. Again if your goal is to always keep the Niners in the most positive light then sure there is still many explanations.

But if you have an open mind about it, you have to at least consider that maybe Nolan is not as bad as you thought and the teams he had to make do with in SF were not nearly as good as you may have thought.

oops, I meant to say in response to the bold that Singletary inherited that same team.

I wouldn't say Nolan was terrible, but I think it was obvious that after he left certain things changed for the better. Better use of timeouts, wins, Franklin (and the D, in general) played much better, changed QB, played better than .500 ball. Some discredit to Nolan is due, imo.
[ Edited by 84SheepDog on Oct 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM ]
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
So, is the question really, "do we question the decision to go with Singletary over Nolan?" MN has them playing ferociously but couldn't do that with our squad, which Singletary almost immediately seemed to command more from. So, what is Sing doing that Nolan couldn't? Does he simply get more respect and they play harder for him, was Nolan simply in the wrong system, what's been the difference?

That is so not the question. The question is actually just for the fans to rethink their own evaluations of their beloved 49ers. This is certainly not questioning whether he should have been fired or not.

The bottom line is this, when the masses of Niner fans get together and decide someone is an idiot, that does not make it true. It was convenient to believe Nolan was a bumbling idiot right up to and after he got fired....because guess what that means...that means we get to continue to over estimate the other aspects of the team...mgmt, other coaches...players.

Now would be a natural point for a rational person to revaluate what happened here and the team he left behind. Nolan is 6-0 and the Niners just got their ASSES kicked. Again if your goal is to always keep the Niners in the most positive light then sure there is still many explanations.

But if you have an open mind about it, you have to at least consider that maybe Nolan is not as bad as you thought and the teams he had to make do with in SF were not nearly as good as you may have thought.

I wouldn't say Nolan was terrible, but I think it was obvious that after he left certain things changed for the better. Better use of timeouts, wins, Franklin (and the D, in general) played much better, changed QB, played better than .500 ball. Some discredit to Nolan is due, imo.

yes in strict generalities it is quite contradictory

Nolans gets fired and his old team improves, somewhat.
Nolan gets a new job but with a lesser role and that new team instantly improves 10 fold.

One of the outcomes points to the Niners being better off without him. Another outcome points to Nolan being better off without the Niners.

Maybe it is a win win, or maybe the Niners are just cursed and everyone is going to look bad in this organization? Hence the title of the post
I certainly agree that it was a win-win... we're better off without each other. And, of course, the curse only lasts as long as we're without a star QB.
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Andra Davis. Brian Dawkins. Cleveland Browns. Oakland Raiders.

The Broncos will come back to Earth soon enough.
If Nolan had Dawkins, Bailey, Dumerville, DJ Williams on the Niners he would still be the coach bc when he has the pieces on defense he wins

All he had on the Niners defense was Willis, which greatly improved our defense in many ways. But he had no secondary, and no pass rush.


Funny what he can do with a defense when he has a pass rush and secondary
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
If Nolan had Dawkins, Bailey, Dumerville, DJ Williams on the Niners he would still be the coach bc when he has the pieces on defense he wins

All he had on the Niners defense was Willis, which greatly improved our defense in many ways. But he had no secondary, and no pass rush.


Funny what he can do with a defense when he has a pass rush and secondary

yep. Dumervil has the ability to beat somebody one on one so their pass rush does not come solely from blitzing.
Like alot of you have pointed out, Nolan's D is actually working in Denver cuz he has Dumervil to rush the passer, and a true shutdown corner in Bailey. Also, Dawkins is still a good player, much better than anything we've had at safety, and a leader on par with Ray Lewis.

Given the correlation between passing and winning, it's no surprise they are winning consistently whereas we aren't, since our strength is stopping the run. Oh well.