this could go in the draft talk, but i thought it was interesting the potential that in the event of a lockout juniors would be very hesitant to leave school
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Dec 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM
- daWest
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Dec 21, 2010 at 4:09 PM
- Jamespowers
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I have heard some conflicting info. on possible replacement players (asking reports via twitter) that there would not be replacement players in case of a long lockout, while others say yes. I guess its up to the owners at that time.
Dec 22, 2010 at 8:21 AM
- English
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Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
Jan 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM
- NFLLockout
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Originally posted by English:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
I appreciate the feedback. Truth is, the fans (or working man, as you said) really lose, which is why the petition exists - everyone wants to see some NFL football next year. Surrounding cities are also going to be hurt as well, as this article notes.
This petition is a way for you to have a hand in preventing the lockout, so it's in everyone's best interest that hardcore fans sign it.
Jan 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM
- ads_2006
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If miami does pay Harbaugh 8 million a year
How could the owners argue they are hurting for money in the upcoming negotiations.
How could the owners argue they are hurting for money in the upcoming negotiations.
Jan 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM
- HessianDud
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Originally posted by English:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
how is the (potential) lockout the players fault?
Jan 9, 2011 at 7:19 PM
- Shorteous
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Originally posted by NFLLockout:Originally posted by English:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
I appreciate the feedback. Truth is, the fans (or working man, as you said) really lose, which is why the petition exists - everyone wants to see some NFL football next year. Surrounding cities are also going to be hurt as well, as this article notes.
This petition is a way for you to have a hand in preventing the lockout, so it's in everyone's best interest that hardcore fans sign it.
No we don't loose... we get bored. NFL players and owners loose and loose big. Right now the NFL is the pinnacle of sports, don't hedge your bets that yoru fans will be loyal for greed on both parts. Let your co-workers know that they will be held just as much or even more accountable as the owners!
Jan 9, 2011 at 7:37 PM
- Shorteous
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Originally posted by HessianDud:Originally posted by English:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
edit: this is also a good read on the subject.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-12-23-nfl-nflpa-negotiations_N.htm
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
how is the (potential) lockout the players fault?
I know you "think" NFL teams each just rack up billions of dolalrs and throw the change at the players but get this:
Quote:
The league has been showcasing the Green Bay Packers as the poster child as to why this formula is no longer sustainable (the Packers are owned by local shareholders and therefore the only NFL team that releases financial statements). Indeed the Pack's player costs rose from $139 million in 2008 to $161 million last season, while operating profits declined from $20 million to $10 million during the same time.
So the Green Bay packers profited 10 million while Julian Peterson profited 18mil last season. I think both sides need to stop the demagoguery and work together because if there is a hold out there will be a back lash against these rich men.
I'm not for the owners or the players I'm for the side that seeks reasonable compromise. I also always grow weary of the "poor union" folks now a days. Both sides can be just as bad, the thing is that it isn't black and white. Not all unions are microorganisms slowly killing their hosts and not all Owners are trying to get a way with creating sweatshops.
Finally it said that the average operating income of each NFL team was 33 mil which increased 1 mil 3%... How much did the draftee's contract increase over this last year, 20%? That 33mil is before : (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) which I'm sure take a healthy chunk out of that.
Ever wonder why NFL teams just can't wave a wand and build a stadium or get the financing to do so? Well if we extrapolate a home mortgage over thirty years you monthly payment at 2.5% interest is going to be roughly 4.5mil...
I just want to say, i'm not one side or the other. I definitely don't thin there is a poor victim side to this. I just want them to get it done and allow Harbaugh enough time to install an offense.
forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/25/most-valuable-nfl-teams-business-sports-football-valuations-10-intro.html
[ Edited by Shorteous on Jan 9, 2011 at 8:22 PM ]
Jan 9, 2011 at 8:24 PM
- Norcal9erfan
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Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by HessianDud:Originally posted by English:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by NFLLockout:
Guys, I wanted to come in here on behalf of the NFLPA and let you know that there's a petition going on at NFLLockout.com right now to block the lockout: http://www.nfllockout.com
The lockout is a very real thing, even though no one wants it to happen. Why not do your part to prevent it? Sign your name to the petition so the owners know just how strong the fan outcry is against the lockout!
How about a petition to remind players of the gravity! I'm for signing a petition of both sides but if you read through that page it was very biased towards the players. I'm not signing a petition that strengths the players bargaining chips. BOTH players and owners need to get their Sh*t together.
edit: this is also a good read on the subject.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-12-23-nfl-nflpa-negotiations_N.htm
I think the NFLPA need to be very careful about how greedy they want to be.
This. When it is billionaires fighting millionaires for an even bigger share of the cake, I don't see why the working man should encourage or assist either side. BOTH sides have lost their connection with the fans and are glutting themselves on television money.
Players and Owners: carry on this way and destroy your sport through sheer named greed. Wake up.
how is the (potential) lockout the players fault?
I know you "think" NFL teams each just rack up billions of dolalrs and throw the change at the players but get this:
Quote:
The league has been showcasing the Green Bay Packers as the poster child as to why this formula is no longer sustainable (the Packers are owned by local shareholders and therefore the only NFL team that releases financial statements). Indeed the Pack's player costs rose from $139 million in 2008 to $161 million last season, while operating profits declined from $20 million to $10 million during the same time.
So the Green Bay packers profited 10 million while Julian Peterson profited 18mil last season. I think both sides need to stop the demagoguery and work together because if there is a hold out there will be a back lash against these rich men.
I'm not for the owners or the players I'm for the side that seeks reasonable compromise. I also always grow weary of the "poor union" folks now a days. Both sides can be just as bad, the thing is that it isn't black and white. Not all unions are microorganisms slowly killing their hosts and not all Owners are trying to get a way with creating sweatshops.
Finally it said that the average operating income of each NFL team was 33 mil which increased 1 mil 3%... How much did the draftee's contract increase over this last year, 20%? That 33mil is before : (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) which I'm sure take a healthy chunk out of that.
Ever wonder why NFL teams just can't wave a wand and build a stadium or get the financing to do so? Well if we extrapolate a home mortgage over thirty years you monthly payment at 2.5% interest is going to be roughly 4.5mil...
I just want to say, i'm not one side or the other. I definitely don't thin there is a poor victim side to this. I just want them to get it done and allow Harbaugh enough time to install an offense.
forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/25/most-valuable-nfl-teams-business-sports-football-valuations-10-intro.html
Jan 9, 2011 at 8:33 PM
- Shorteous
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Another good article on the matter. I'll just pull snips out of it and let those interested read the rest:
The thing to remember is that the Owners till have to pay the benefits of the players, amortization, ect out of their 40%. It's a 60/40 break down fyi
Not feeling the poor me "working man" perspective to this problem.
The more I research this, the more I see that the hold up is due to the NFL PA not the owners. The owners exercised a claused that made the CBA expire this year rather than 2013 because They don't feel like they can sustain the 60/40 break down. Since 2005 the league min was 560k now it's 960k, that's a 100% increase in 5 years and an average of 20% pay increase each year. Not bad for a period of time where unemployment is around 9.4% (that's the portion of the country collecting unemployment, not the portion that is unemployed.)
C'Mon Man, lets get this together and play some football next year. Don't take away the public's entertainment during hard times or face the possibility that they will turn on you.
http://nfllabor.com/2011/01/04/carolina%E2%80%99s-jerry-richardson-on-cba-negotiations-%E2%80%9Ci-am-not-optimistic-that-we%E2%80%99re-making-a-lot-of-progress%E2%80%9D/
find additional information from here, really explains how both sides are preparing for the negotiations. It defiantly eye popping lol:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-12-23-nfl-nflpa-negotiations_N.htm
Quote:
In 2006, ‘07 and ‘08 we generated $3.6 billion in new revenue. The players have gotten $2.6 billion of the revenue and 32 teams have gotten $1 billion. And we have a negative cash flow of $200 million. Now, I don’t think many business schools would say that’s a model that’s going to sustain itself and we have tried to explain that as best we could to the representatives of the Players Association.
The thing to remember is that the Owners till have to pay the benefits of the players, amortization, ect out of their 40%. It's a 60/40 break down fyi
Quote:
One of the first things that was said to me when I meet with union lawyers is, ‘Mr. Richardson, we want more money, more benefits and we want to work less.’ And then they say, ‘Let’s begin negotiations.’ And I’m not optimistic we’re making a lot of progress.”
Not feeling the poor me "working man" perspective to this problem.
The more I research this, the more I see that the hold up is due to the NFL PA not the owners. The owners exercised a claused that made the CBA expire this year rather than 2013 because They don't feel like they can sustain the 60/40 break down. Since 2005 the league min was 560k now it's 960k, that's a 100% increase in 5 years and an average of 20% pay increase each year. Not bad for a period of time where unemployment is around 9.4% (that's the portion of the country collecting unemployment, not the portion that is unemployed.)
C'Mon Man, lets get this together and play some football next year. Don't take away the public's entertainment during hard times or face the possibility that they will turn on you.
http://nfllabor.com/2011/01/04/carolina%E2%80%99s-jerry-richardson-on-cba-negotiations-%E2%80%9Ci-am-not-optimistic-that-we%E2%80%99re-making-a-lot-of-progress%E2%80%9D/
find additional information from here, really explains how both sides are preparing for the negotiations. It defiantly eye popping lol:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-12-23-nfl-nflpa-negotiations_N.htm
[ Edited by Shorteous on Jan 9, 2011 at 8:35 PM ]
Jan 9, 2011 at 8:33 PM
- RichnSanRamon
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I don't know the ins and outs of the labor issues, but I do know that an 18-game regular season would be criminal unless the roster is expanded from 53 to about 100. 53 is too few for a 16 game season. 18? Pu-leez!
Jan 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM
- hondakillerzx
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strike year could be interesting. if theres replacement players a really s**tty team could win a superbowl if they just recruit good scrubs lol
Jan 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM
- Shorteous
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Originally posted by RichnSanRamon:
I don't know the ins and outs of the labor issues, but I do know that an 18-game regular season would be criminal unless the roster is expanded from 53 to about 100. 53 is too few for a 16 game season. 18? Pu-leez!
I don' think you know the magnitude of 47 players. That means the the owners would have to for out atleast (if they were all on league minimum) 45.59 mil with around another 5.89 mil (roughly) in player benefits. so around 51.5mil additional cost. See gross profits were average around the league to 33mil.
ALso remember that the players already play 20 games a season with the preseason. The league would only play 2 preseason games and add two more regular season games, which will greatly help the owners profits for sustainability.
I do not want 18 game season because I believe that truly hurts the integrity of the stats and the game we know.
There is absolutely no way a team could field a 100 player team with out going belly up.
I really wish people wouldn't just assume that these teams are profiting megadollars like an oil company or something.
Jan 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM
- TheGoldDiggerrrr
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Originally posted by Shorteous:
Another good article on the matter. I'll just pull snips out of it and let those interested read the rest:
Quote:
In 2006, ‘07 and ‘08 we generated $3.6 billion in new revenue. The players have gotten $2.6 billion of the revenue and 32 teams have gotten $1 billion. And we have a negative cash flow of $200 million. Now, I don’t think many business schools would say that’s a model that’s going to sustain itself and we have tried to explain that as best we could to the representatives of the Players Association.
The thing to remember is that the Owners till have to pay the benefits of the players, amortization, ect out of their 40%. It's a 60/40 break down fyi
Quote:
One of the first things that was said to me when I meet with union lawyers is, ‘Mr. Richardson, we want more money, more benefits and we want to work less.’ And then they say, ‘Let’s begin negotiations.’ And I’m not optimistic we’re making a lot of progress.”
Not feeling the poor me "working man" perspective to this problem.
The more I research this, the more I see that the hold up is due to the NFL PA not the owners. The owners exercised a claused that made the CBA expire this year rather than 2013 because They don't feel like they can sustain the 60/40 break down. Since 2005 the league min was 560k now it's 960k, that's a 100% increase in 5 years and an average of 20% pay increase each year. Not bad for a period of time where unemployment is around 9.4% (that's the portion of the country collecting unemployment, not the portion that is unemployed.)
C'Mon Man, lets get this together and play some football next year. Don't take away the public's entertainment during hard times or face the possibility that they will turn on you.
http://nfllabor.com/2011/01/04/carolina%E2%80%99s-jerry-richardson-on-cba-negotiations-%E2%80%9Ci-am-not-optimistic-that-we%E2%80%99re-making-a-lot-of-progress%E2%80%9D/
find additional information from here, really explains how both sides are preparing for the negotiations. It defiantly eye popping lol:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-12-23-nfl-nflpa-negotiations_N.htm
Agree, the players deal was too good before. Now a rookie needs to be cap as well, because 70 million is just crazy!!! This is not basketball. 16 games a season, possible 18 still that's it. It's not 200 games or whatever for baseball and whatever it is for basketball. Play 200 games a year sure then we can afford to keep paying the players this kind of money.
Jan 9, 2011 at 9:44 PM
- RichnSanRamon
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Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by RichnSanRamon:
I don't know the ins and outs of the labor issues, but I do know that an 18-game regular season would be criminal unless the roster is expanded from 53 to about 100. 53 is too few for a 16 game season. 18? Pu-leez!
I don' think you know the magnitude of 47 players. That means the the owners would have to for out atleast (if they were all on league minimum) 45.59 mil with around another 5.89 mil (roughly) in player benefits. so around 51.5mil additional cost. See gross profits were average around the league to 33mil.
ALso remember that the players already play 20 games a season with the preseason. The league would only play 2 preseason games and add two more regular season games, which will greatly help the owners profits for sustainability.
I do not want 18 game season because I believe that truly hurts the integrity of the stats and the game we know.
There is absolutely no way a team could field a 100 player team with out going belly up.
I really wish people wouldn't just assume that these teams are profiting megadollars like an oil company or something.
You could if you structured the salaries in tiers. In other words, you have your first 53 players making at least the NFL minimum for their seniority level. Then the next 22 players make much less, something more than today's practice squade, but not much more. That's 75 players. Then your last 25 you pay at the practice squad level. If that is too many to be on the field for practice, then you have active and inactives for practice. Why go through this nonsense? So you have players health enough to fly around and play great for all 18, without shortening their careers.