Originally posted by Alfienator:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by 49glory:
Average how? Have you watched more than highlights of him vs garrett?
32" arms, 4.88 40, 1.7 10-yard split, 4.44 short shuttle, 31" vert
To be honest, "average" is putting it nicely.
So you're going by measurements and not production.
You have to go by both. There's a reason MadDog has him ranked ~20 on his big board even though he's one of the most NFL ready players and should be in contention for defensive player of the year. Teams are going to drop him because his measurables suck. He can improve some of them (not arm length), but he'll never have the ceiling guys like Clowney, Khalil Mack, and Garrett have because he's not a great athlete.
He does have quick twitch arms/hands to go along with terrific hand usage and a high motor. He should be productive early on, but he doesn't have as much room to improve because his technique is already great. The Mack comparison makes no sense - Mack is one of the best athletes in the league. All the best pass rushers n the league right now are elite athletes for their size or have elite length (Watt, Mack, Miller, Clowney, Chandler Jones, Vic Beasley).