why do we want a 5'9 cb with the 30 pick

Originally posted by SaksV:
Proper conditioning and diet ensures durability, not size/mass.

Conditioning is tremendously important. As a Phoenix Suns fan,I've seen them revive the corpses of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill, hell even Shaq looked good for awhile. Nash left Phoenix and fell to pieces. Their training staff is absolutely outstanding and so I'm convinced that conditioning might be the biggest factor of all ultimately.

I'm just going to leave this here

Verrett 5'9 190lbs (not to mention he has a smaller wingspan for his size)

Champ Bailey- 6ft 192
Johnathan Joseph- 5'11 190lbs
Antonio Cromatrie- 6'2 210lbs
Charles Tillman- 6'2 198lbs
Patrick Peterson- 6'1 210lbs
Tim Jennings- 5'9 190lbs
Darelle Revis- 5'11 190lbs
Brandon Browner- 6'4 210lbs
Carlos Rogers- 6 200lbs
Charles Woodson- 6'1 210lbs
Nmamdi Asomugha- 6'2 210lbs
Devin McCourty- 5'10 195lbs
Asante Samuel- 5'10 185lbs
Deangelo Hall- 5'10 193lbs
Tramon Williams- 5'10 195lbs
Antoine Winfield-5"10 190lbs
Brent Grimes-5'10 190lbs
DRC- 6'1 195lbs
Terrance Newman-5'10 190lbs
Mike Jenkins-5'10 197lbs
Cortland Finnegan- 5'10 180lbs
Ronde Barber- 5'10 190lbs
Al Harris-6'1 190lbs
Rashean Mathis- 6'1 195lbs
Chris McAlister- 6'1 210lbs
Deltha O'Neil-5'10 196lbs
Ty Law- 5'10 200lbs
Nathan Vasher- 5'10 187lbs
Tory James- 6'2 190lbs
Nate Clements- 6'0 209lbs
Lito Sheppard- 5'10 194lbs
Dre Bly- 5'10 185lbs
Patrick Suritan- 5'11 195lbs
Troy Vincent- 6'1 200lbs
Aaron Glenn- 5'9 183lbs
Sam Madison- 5'11 180lbs
Bobby Taylor- 6'3 216lbs
Ryan McNeil- 6'2 210lbs
Aeneas Williams- 5'11 210lbs
Samari Rolle- 6'0 185lbs
Donnie Abraham- 5'10 190lbs
James Hasty- 6ft 211lbs
Deion Sanders- 6'1 198lbs
Todd Lyght- 6ft 195lbs
Rodney Harrison-6'1 210lbs
Lawyer Milloy-6ft 210lbs
Shawn Springs-6ft 204lbs
Ray Buchanan-5'10 185
Darren Woodson-6'1 219lbs
Dale Carter- 6'1 210lbs
Darryl Williams- 6ft 210lbs
Carnell Lake-6'1 213lbs
Dale Carter-6'1 210lbs
Terry McDaniel-5'10 180lbs
Eric Davis- 5'11 190lbs
Eric Allen- 5'10 190lbs
Eric Turner' 6'1 208lbs
Nate Odoms- 5'10 185lbs
Donnell Woolford- 5'10 195lbs


I listed all of the CB who have ever played in the pro-bowl since 1994. That was 20 years ago
All but 2 of them are as tall as Verrett.

Unless you think Verrett is a once in a generation player he is going to fall out of the NFL because of size/injury concerns.
And for those of you who are thinking 1 inch doesn't matter, clearly it does.
CBs at 5'10- 18
Cbs at 5'9- 2

If Verrett is an investment, I am not buying
Neither is Harbs or Baalke. Can we stop with this guy now?

Originally posted by SaksV: With so many Hall of Fame players and perennial Pro Bowlers of various shapes and sizes, it amazes me that people focus so much on height when it comes to playing football. This isn't the NBA.

There isn't a single CB in the Hall of Fame under 5'10

Originally posted by pfizz:
his arms are LONGER than darqueze dennard whos size nobody complains about. i'll take verrett's buttery fluiditiy, ball targeting skills, excellent anticipation and lightning quick makeup speed please. this guy just oozes instincts.

This is highly inaccurate
The difference is arm length is about the difference between these two dots . .

Also, Dennard is 5'11 whereas Verrett is barely 5'9

Originally posted by CWin4949:
Say waaaaat???? Mark McMillian does not approve this thread.

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Originally posted by Quest4six:
I'm just going to leave this here

Verrett 5'9 190lbs (not to mention he has a smaller wingspan for his size)

Champ Bailey- 6ft 192
Johnathan Joseph- 5'11 190lbs
Antonio Cromatrie- 6'2 210lbs
Charles Tillman- 6'2 198lbs
Patrick Peterson- 6'1 210lbs
Tim Jennings- 5'9 190lbs
Darelle Revis- 5'11 190lbs
Brandon Browner- 6'4 210lbs
Carlos Rogers- 6 200lbs
Charles Woodson- 6'1 210lbs
Nmamdi Asomugha- 6'2 210lbs
Devin McCourty- 5'10 195lbs
Asante Samuel- 5'10 185lbs
Deangelo Hall- 5'10 193lbs
Tramon Williams- 5'10 195lbs
Antoine Winfield-5"10 190lbs
Brent Grimes-5'10 190lbs
DRC- 6'1 195lbs
Terrance Newman-5'10 190lbs
Mike Jenkins-5'10 197lbs
Cortland Finnegan- 5'10 180lbs
Ronde Barber- 5'10 190lbs
Al Harris-6'1 190lbs
Rashean Mathis- 6'1 195lbs
Chris McAlister- 6'1 210lbs
Deltha O'Neil-5'10 196lbs
Ty Law- 5'10 200lbs
Nathan Vasher- 5'10 187lbs
Tory James- 6'2 190lbs
Nate Clements- 6'0 209lbs
Lito Sheppard- 5'10 194lbs
Dre Bly- 5'10 185lbs
Patrick Suritan- 5'11 195lbs
Troy Vincent- 6'1 200lbs
Aaron Glenn- 5'9 183lbs
Sam Madison- 5'11 180lbs
Bobby Taylor- 6'3 216lbs
Ryan McNeil- 6'2 210lbs
Aeneas Williams- 5'11 210lbs
Samari Rolle- 6'0 185lbs
Donnie Abraham- 5'10 190lbs
James Hasty- 6ft 211lbs
Deion Sanders- 6'1 198lbs
Todd Lyght- 6ft 195lbs
Rodney Harrison-6'1 210lbs
Lawyer Milloy-6ft 210lbs
Shawn Springs-6ft 204lbs
Ray Buchanan-5'10 185
Darren Woodson-6'1 219lbs
Dale Carter- 6'1 210lbs
Darryl Williams- 6ft 210lbs
Carnell Lake-6'1 213lbs
Dale Carter-6'1 210lbs
Terry McDaniel-5'10 180lbs
Eric Davis- 5'11 190lbs
Eric Allen- 5'10 190lbs
Eric Turner' 6'1 208lbs
Nate Odoms- 5'10 185lbs
Donnell Woolford- 5'10 195lbs


I listed all of the CB who have ever played in the pro-bowl since 1994. That was 20 years ago
All but 2 of them are as tall as Verrett.

Unless you think Verrett is a once in a generation player he is going to fall out of the NFL because of size/injury concerns.
And for those of you who are thinking 1 inch doesn't matter, clearly it does.
CBs at 5'10- 18
Cbs at 5'9- 2

If Verrett is an investment, I am not buying
Neither is Harbs or Baalke. Can we stop with this guy now?

LOL, glad you can read their minds.



You also neglected to mention that Antoine Winfield was a three time Pro-Bowler at 5'9" and a damn good cornerback for most of his career with a much slighter build than Verrett. Beyond that there's a ton of cornerback's at 5'10" such as Alterraun Verner and heck, even Tramaine Brock who himself is barely 5'10" who have done well for themselves. Brandon Boykin who is barely 5'10" and comes in at a whopping 183 pounds was a tremendous slot corner for the Eagles, had 6 interceptions this past season.


If your only argument against Verrett is that he's too short, you have absolutely no argument at all.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
LOL, glad you can read their minds.



You also neglected to mention that Antoine Winfield was a three time Pro-Bowler at 5'9" and a damn good cornerback for most of his career with a much slighter build than Verrett. Beyond that there's a ton of cornerback's at 5'10" such as Alterraun Verner and heck, even Tramaine Brock who himself is barely 5'10" who have done well for themselves. Brandon Boykin who is barely 5'10" and comes in at a whopping 183 pounds was a tremendous slot corner for the Eagles, had 6 interceptions this past season.


If your only argument against Verrett is that he's too short, you have absolutely no argument at all.

Look,

Not on here to make fun of others opinions, or start with banter.
Those guys are still all 5'10
Verrett is BARLEY 5'9

I do have an argument lol, its called statistics

Statistically speaking, a corner at the height of 5'10 during the past 20 years has a better chance of making a pro bowl than any other height.
Lets break it down shall we?

5'9- 3 guys in the past 20 years
5'10- 15 guys in the past 20 years


That alone is all the proof you need, if he has the same intangibles and talent as guys such as Jennings, Winfield, and Glenn then I would gladly admit I am wrong and he belongs on this team.
Please, go ahead and compare Verrett to one of those three.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Look,

Not on here to make fun of others opinions, or start with banter.
Those guys are still all 5'10
Verrett is BARLEY 5'9

I do have an argument lol, its called statistics

Statistically speaking, a corner at the height of 5'10 during the past 20 years has a better chance of making a pro bowl than any other height.
Lets break it down shall we?

5'9- 3 guys in the past 20 years
5'10- 15 guys in the past 20 years

How many QB's under 6'0" tall have made the Pro-Bowl and won a Superbowl in the past 20 years? LOL at Russell Wilson, won't draft.


You evaluate a player on his individual merits, not by lumping him in with guys that are completely irrelevant.


If your only argument against drafting Verrett is his height, you have no argument at all.

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I'm just going to leave this here

Verrett 5'9 190lbs (not to mention he has a smaller wingspan for his size)

Champ Bailey- 6ft 192
Johnathan Joseph- 5'11 190lbs
Antonio Cromatrie- 6'2 210lbs
Charles Tillman- 6'2 198lbs
Patrick Peterson- 6'1 210lbs
Tim Jennings- 5'9 190lbs
Darelle Revis- 5'11 190lbs
Brandon Browner- 6'4 210lbs
Carlos Rogers- 6 200lbs
Charles Woodson- 6'1 210lbs
Nmamdi Asomugha- 6'2 210lbs
Devin McCourty- 5'10 195lbs
Asante Samuel- 5'10 185lbs
Deangelo Hall- 5'10 193lbs
Tramon Williams- 5'10 195lbs
Antoine Winfield-5"10 190lbs
Brent Grimes-5'10 190lbs
DRC- 6'1 195lbs
Terrance Newman-5'10 190lbs
Mike Jenkins-5'10 197lbs
Cortland Finnegan- 5'10 180lbs
Ronde Barber- 5'10 190lbs
Al Harris-6'1 190lbs
Rashean Mathis- 6'1 195lbs
Chris McAlister- 6'1 210lbs
Deltha O'Neil-5'10 196lbs
Ty Law- 5'10 200lbs
Nathan Vasher- 5'10 187lbs
Tory James- 6'2 190lbs
Nate Clements- 6'0 209lbs
Lito Sheppard- 5'10 194lbs
Dre Bly- 5'10 185lbs
Patrick Suritan- 5'11 195lbs
Troy Vincent- 6'1 200lbs
Aaron Glenn- 5'9 183lbs
Sam Madison- 5'11 180lbs
Bobby Taylor- 6'3 216lbs
Ryan McNeil- 6'2 210lbs
Aeneas Williams- 5'11 210lbs
Samari Rolle- 6'0 185lbs
Donnie Abraham- 5'10 190lbs
James Hasty- 6ft 211lbs
Deion Sanders- 6'1 198lbs
Todd Lyght- 6ft 195lbs
Rodney Harrison-6'1 210lbs
Lawyer Milloy-6ft 210lbs
Shawn Springs-6ft 204lbs
Ray Buchanan-5'10 185
Darren Woodson-6'1 219lbs
Dale Carter- 6'1 210lbs
Darryl Williams- 6ft 210lbs
Carnell Lake-6'1 213lbs
Dale Carter-6'1 210lbs
Terry McDaniel-5'10 180lbs
Eric Davis- 5'11 190lbs
Eric Allen- 5'10 190lbs
Eric Turner' 6'1 208lbs
Nate Odoms- 5'10 185lbs
Donnell Woolford- 5'10 195lbs


I listed all of the CB who have ever played in the pro-bowl since 1994. That was 20 years ago
All but 2 of them are as tall as Verrett.

Unless you think Verrett is a once in a generation player he is going to fall out of the NFL because of size/injury concerns.
And for those of you who are thinking 1 inch doesn't matter, clearly it does.
CBs at 5'10- 18
Cbs at 5'9- 2

If Verrett is an investment, I am not buying
Neither is Harbs or Baalke. Can we stop with this guy now?

Originally posted by SaksV: With so many Hall of Fame players and perennial Pro Bowlers of various shapes and sizes, it amazes me that people focus so much on height when it comes to playing football. This isn't the NBA.

There isn't a single CB in the Hall of Fame under 5'10

Darrell green was 5'8" and is in the HOF, off the top of my head. WR weren't AS tall in his day but Roy Green, JT Smith and Mike Quick were in his division and we're much taller and Green shut them down. I don't want Verrett either and your list is a great resource. Thanks for the research.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How many QB's under 6'0" tall have made the Pro-Bowl and won a Superbowl in the past 20 years? LOL at Russell Wilson, won't draft.


You evaluate a player on his individual merits, not by lumping him in with guys that are completely irrelevant.


If your only argument against drafting Verrett is his height, you have no argument at all.

Quarterback is a different position that doesn't require you to defend against people taller than you, I'm talking about cornerbacks..
With the intro of mobile QBs in todays game we might start to see a shift in height. All that is besides the point anyways

Seriously, tell me Verrett has the same talent as Glenn, Winfield, Jennings, or Green. He doesn't.

In a position that requires you to be physical (QB not included) and protect from passes against generally taller WR (QB not included)
HEIGHT IS AN ADVANTAGE.

Hence the names I just listed, Statistics are FACTS, not irrelevant.

Originally posted by jbeale49:
Darrell green was 5'8" and is in the HOF, off the top of my head. WR weren't AS tall in his day but Roy Green, JT Smith and Mike Quick were in his division and we're much taller and Green shut them down. I don't want Verrett either and your list is a great resource. Thanks for the research.

Ahh, good call my mistake.
I forgot about Green, man that guy was some talent.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Quarterback is a different position that doesn't require you to defend against people taller than you, I'm talking about cornerbacks..
With the intro of mobile QBs in todays game we might start to see a shift in height. All that is besides the point anyways

Seriously, tell me Verrett has the same talent as Glenn, Winfield, Jennings, or Green. He doesn't.

In a position that requires you to be physical (QB not included) and protect from passes against generally taller WR (QB not included)
HEIGHT IS AN ADVANTAGE.

Hence the names I just listed, Statistics are FACTS, not irrelevant.

You also don't know that Verrett doesn't possess the same potential to have a career in the same manner as a guy like Winfield did. A dominant, high quality slot corner for a decade and more.


Thus far, here are the points you've raised against Verrett.

1. Short
2. Short
3. Frail
4. Short
5. Short


All you are arguing is that he can't succeed because of his size but guys his size and smaller have succeeded. Not to mention that build wise, he's stronger built than Verner, Boykin, Winfield....etc.



Once more, if your only argument against Verrett is his height, you have no argument at all. Nothing you have said even remotely challenges the notion that Verrett can be a damn good slot CB in the NFL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You also don't know that Verrett doesn't possess the same potential to have a career in the same manner as a guy like Winfield did. A dominant, high quality slot corner for a decade and more.


Thus far, here are the points you've raised against Verrett.

1. Short
2. Short
3. Frail
4. Short
5. Short



If your only argument against Verrett is his height, you have no argument at all.

I'm not sure if you are trolling now or what.
But I guess we will see come draft time, who knows? I could be wrong
All I know is that I want this team to bring home Superbowl 49.
If studying the past 20 years of pro-bowl CBs, statistics, or research tell me anything it is that Verrett won't succeed at this level.
But I guess we will find out, I've read your other posts on here and I know you research players and watch football more than most on here so I respect your opinion on Verrett.
But I think you are wrong.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I'm not sure if you are trolling now or what.
But I guess we will see come draft time, who knows? I could be wrong
All I know is that I want this team to bring home Superbowl 49.
If studying the past 20 years of pro-bowl CBs, statistics, or research tell me anything it is that Verrett won't succeed at this level.
But I guess we will find out, I've read your other posts on here and I know you research players and watch football more than most on here so I respect your opinion on Verrett.
But I think you are wrong.

I think if you want to criticize a player, it has to be more substantial than "lol, won't play, too short." There's nothing I've seen in Verrett's game that tells me that his height will be a hindrance to him as far as playing in the slot. He routinely bodied up against bigger receivers in college and did well against guys like Beckham, who at 5'11" is at an apparently insurmountable height, but somehow Verrett managed. He also held his own against a much bigger guy in Goodley who is about 5'10" and 215.


Nobody is saying that Verrett is going to defend Calvin Johnson in the NFL, but he could make a career out of defending smaller, quicker slot receivers. How many times do you see guys in the slot going up top as as compared to simply beating coverage and getting wide open to make a catch? If Verrett can lock down slot receivers, then he's worth a 1st round pick and then some for the 49ers.


When the 49ers played the Titans this year, which receiver gave them the most trouble? Nate Washington, Justin Hunter or Kendall Wright? It was Wright, a smaller, quicker receiver who also gave the Seattle secondary fits. You need someone to defend those guys, Verrett is ideal for doing just that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You also don't know that Verrett doesn't possess the same potential to have a career in the same manner as a guy like Winfield did. A dominant, high quality slot corner for a decade and more.


Thus far, here are the points you've raised against Verrett.

1. Short
2. Short
3. Frail
4. Short
5. Short


All you are arguing is that he can't succeed because of his size but guys his size and smaller have succeeded. Not to mention that build wise, he's stronger built than Verner, Boykin, Winfield....etc.



Once more, if your only argument against Verrett is his height, you have no argument at all. Nothing you have said even remotely challenges the notion that Verrett can be a damn good slot CB in the NFL.

So far, in the past 22 years of the NFL there have been 3 Corners his size that have succeeded. I would like to see who is smaller than he is and has succeeded.
That is an argument

He is frail, his injury is going to put him a week or two out of training camp.
That is an argument

The FACT that 3 corners in the past 22 years that are 5'9 (not under, because there are 0) have made the pro-bowl.
That is an argument


If you don't think those 3 things should be taken into consideration then this argument is superfluous.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
So far, in the past 22 years of the NFL there have been 3 Corners his size that have succeeded. I would like to see who is smaller than he is and has succeeded.
That is an argument

He is frail, his injury is going to put him a week or two out of training camp.
That is an argument

The FACT that 3 corners in the past 22 years that are 5'9 (not under, because there are 0) have made the pro-bowl.
That is an argument


If you don't think those 3 things should be taken into consideration then this argument is superfluous.

I honestly don't think it matters. If we're talking about a guy who is 5'6", that is one thing, but if you think an inch's difference in height is enough to offset all the natural talent and ability that a player has, then there's no point in discussing this any further. The line is "nobody's ever done this before", until somebody does it. Verrett is an immense talent, being a 1st rounder at 5'9" means he must be pretty damn good so comparing him to various people in the past is meaningless.


He's a damn good cornerback, end of story.