MadDog's 2013 NFL Draft Review

So the only TE you would have taken is someone who didnt even get drafted? Other than FS the one position where someone was going to play the most was at TE. That would have been horrible. Sorry.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
So the only TE you would have taken is someone who didnt even get drafted? Other than FS the one position where someone was going to play the most was at TE. That would have been horrible. Sorry.

It sometimes works that way in the draft. The Niners have a need at corner, whether it be in 2013 or 2014 and they bypassed the position until the 7th round, as I did with Reed. If a team gets caught up in the "what is our next hole" situation, and drafts a guy to fill it, even though they have him at a lower grade, it will hurt the roster at some point. There will be available guys in FA that can play a backup role to Davis for 2013 if needed. In the same way, there will be FA corners that can play a backup role to our starters if needed.

5. Quinton Dial, 157th overall. Dial is a very intriguing prospect. He has excellent size for a 34 DE, and played in a terrific program. He has a nasty streak about him. In fact, to me, he is one of the dirtier college football players. Some like that nasty streak, others see it as a sign of bad character. Honestly, I couldn't care less, as long as he is productive. Looking at his numbers, 40 total tackles in two years. To me, a bit on the low side. I look at a player like Kapron Lewis Moore who played the exact position as Dial, a 34DE, and see 40 tackles in 2012. To me, this would have been the better choice between the two players.

Actually it is 46 tackles and he had 20 solo tackles compared to 17 for your 32nd rated player Jesse Williams. Maybe the #s are why Jesse Williams wasnt drafted where you thought he should go but fell to the 5th.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
So the only TE you would have taken is someone who didnt even get drafted? Other than FS the one position where someone was going to play the most was at TE. That would have been horrible. Sorry.

It sometimes works that way in the draft. The Niners have a need at corner, whether it be in 2013 or 2014 and they bypassed the position until the 7th round, as I did with Reed. If a team gets caught up in the "what is our next hole" situation, and drafts a guy to fill it, even though they have him at a lower grade, it will hurt the roster at some point. There will be available guys in FA that can play a backup role to Davis for 2013 if needed. In the same way, there will be FA corners that can play a backup role to our starters if needed.

I think the Niners have much more depth at the CB spot than had at TE. I would have liked someone like Poyer picked late but I think the team has enough depth at corner for the upcoming year. I dont think an undrafted TE would have cut it as 2nd guy. Im sure you realize that our 2nd TE is more than just a backup.

I can't see how taking Eifert would of worked. We have to look financially at this. We aren't gonna pay 2 TEs top dollar in 4 years, because both would be young and still in prime. Plus what does it say to Vernon, if we draft a TE 18?

I always stress, draft for need, but not always the same position under the new CBA, that option, and paying top 10 and top 20 kills you. It makes more sense to draft a WR then a TE, since most teams carry between 5 and 6 WRs each year.

Money comes into this big time, and needs, Reid was a higher need then a 2nd TE.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
5. Quinton Dial, 157th overall. Dial is a very intriguing prospect. He has excellent size for a 34 DE, and played in a terrific program. He has a nasty streak about him. In fact, to me, he is one of the dirtier college football players. Some like that nasty streak, others see it as a sign of bad character. Honestly, I couldn't care less, as long as he is productive. Looking at his numbers, 40 total tackles in two years. To me, a bit on the low side. I look at a player like Kapron Lewis Moore who played the exact position as Dial, a 34DE, and see 40 tackles in 2012. To me, this would have been the better choice between the two players.

Actually it is 46 tackles and he had 20 solo tackles compared to 17 for your 32nd rated player Jesse Williams. Maybe the #s are why Jesse Williams wasnt drafted where you thought he should go but fell to the 5th.

According to College Football Stats (cfbstats.com), Dial has 21 total tackles (unassisted and assisted) in 2012, while Jesse Williams had 37 total tackles in 2012.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
5. Quinton Dial, 157th overall. Dial is a very intriguing prospect. He has excellent size for a 34 DE, and played in a terrific program. He has a nasty streak about him. In fact, to me, he is one of the dirtier college football players. Some like that nasty streak, others see it as a sign of bad character. Honestly, I couldn't care less, as long as he is productive. Looking at his numbers, 40 total tackles in two years. To me, a bit on the low side. I look at a player like Kapron Lewis Moore who played the exact position as Dial, a 34DE, and see 40 tackles in 2012. To me, this would have been the better choice between the two players.

Actually it is 46 tackles and he had 20 solo tackles compared to 17 for your 32nd rated player Jesse Williams. Maybe the #s are why Jesse Williams wasnt drafted where you thought he should go but fell to the 5th.

According to College Football Stats (cfbstats.com), Dial has 21 total tackles (unassisted and assisted) in 2012, while Jesse Williams had 37 total tackles in 2012.

I see you conveniently left off that Dial had more solo tackles and more tackles for loss than Williams in 2012. All I am saying is that you throw out numbers for Dial and say it should be higher to justify your grade and then ignore numbers for JW. Cant have it both ways.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I can't see how taking Eifert would of worked. We have to look financially at this. We aren't gonna pay 2 TEs top dollar in 4 years, because both would be young and still in prime. Plus what does it say to Vernon, if we draft a TE 18?

I always stress, draft for need, but not always the same position under the new CBA, that option, and paying top 10 and top 20 kills you. It makes more sense to draft a WR then a TE, since most teams carry between 5 and 6 WRs each year.

Money comes into this big time, and needs, Reid was a higher need then a 2nd TE.

AB looking at dollars and cents. No surprise. Davis is entering his 8th year in 2013, and I am not sure there is another big payday out there for him. He'll be 32 when he hits free agency in 2016. Have to see how his body holds up over the next three years.

As for selecting Eifert, I was playing devil's advocate with the 18th pick. I didn't want the trade up, but if you are making that move, pick the best guy. NE has shown that they can be a serious headache with two monster TEs on the field at the same time. You burn that contract bridge when you get to it, I would say. Pick the best player.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
AB looking at dollars and cents. No surprise. Davis is entering his 8th year in 2013, and I am not sure there is another big payday out there for him. He'll be 32 when he hits free agency in 2016. Have to see how his body holds up over the next three years.

As for selecting Eifert, I was playing devil's advocate with the 18th pick. I didn't want the trade up, but if you are making that move, pick the best guy. NE has shown that they can be a serious headache with two monster TEs on the field at the same time. You burn that contract bridge when you get to it, I would say. Pick the best player.

And how many Superbowl rings has that produced?

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I see you conveniently left off that Dial had more solo tackles and more tackles for loss than Williams in 2012. All I am saying is that you throw out numbers for Dial and say it should be higher to justify your grade and then ignore numbers for JW. Cant have it both ways.

NT;s in 34 alignments are not going to pad a ton of stats. They are almost always double-teamed, so the 34 DE should naturally have more numbers, which Dial does in solo tackles and tackles for loss , but not in overall tackles.In the end, Williams had nearly twice the amount of tackles in 2012 as Dial. And, as stated before, Kapron Lewis Moore has far more production than Dial did in the same role.

I would have taken Kelce over Jesse Williams in your draft. Given how often we are in the nickel, I think we are fine with Dorsey and Ian Williams at that position. Plus, I have to think that Williams' medicals were pretty bad. Obviously we don't have access to the medicals, but when you're grading the draft after the fact you have to take into account what happened during the draft: and it's obvious that his medical issues were concerning enough that he dropped to the 5th round. Given the red flags, to take him at the end of the 2nd round would be very bad value.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I can't see how taking Eifert would of worked. We have to look financially at this. We aren't gonna pay 2 TEs top dollar in 4 years, because both would be young and still in prime. Plus what does it say to Vernon, if we draft a TE 18?

I always stress, draft for need, but not always the same position under the new CBA, that option, and paying top 10 and top 20 kills you. It makes more sense to draft a WR then a TE, since most teams carry between 5 and 6 WRs each year.

Money comes into this big time, and needs, Reid was a higher need then a 2nd TE.

AB looking at dollars and cents. No surprise. Davis is entering his 8th year in 2013, and I am not sure there is another big payday out there for him. He'll be 32 when he hits free agency in 2016. Have to see how his body holds up over the next three years.

As for selecting Eifert, I was playing devil's advocate with the 18th pick. I didn't want the trade up, but if you are making that move, pick the best guy. NE has shown that they can be a serious headache with two monster TEs on the field at the same time. You burn that contract bridge when you get to it, I would say. Pick the best player.

I always look at it from a financial aspect . I think we had our guy(Reid) rated higher. Baalke said he had the deal agreed to contingent on Reid being there at 18, and the Cowboys wanted to still do the trade.

Idk, I like the pick, I thought the trade up was weird, but I'm cool with it. We got a good FS to be next to whitner, then whoever we add to take over for Whitner.

Originally posted by Jcool:
And how many Superbowl rings has that produced?

A few answers: Hernandez has been in the league 3 years. NE's problems are related to defense. Hernandez was a fourth rounder, so his selection did not impact the defense.

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I would have taken Kelce over Jesse Williams in your draft. Given how often we are in the nickel, I think we are fine with Dorsey and Ian Williams at that position. Plus, I have to think that Williams' medicals were pretty bad. Obviously we don't have access to the medicals, but when you're grading the draft after the fact you have to take into account what happened during the draft: and it's obvious that his medical issues were concerning enough that he dropped to the 5th round. Given the red flags, to take him at the end of the 2nd round would be very bad value.

No doubt there must have been some red flags with medicals. At the same time, the team took some risks with Carradine and Lattimore. Hoperfully, they psn out