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LieutKaffee's evolving mock (updated 4/2)

  • buck
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Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Interesting. I'm having trouble gauging where Mathieu will end up. He's a polarizing player, but he's also a unique one that I think would thrive here. That's why I targeted him at the high end of his projected range.


There are three stories about Mathieu on www.nfl.com today.

Mathieu says he will play angry......

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000150653/article/tyrann-mathieu-says-hell-play-angry-for-nfl-team

Tyrann Mathieu this is a podcast with Bucky Brooks and Mathieu

http://www.nfl.com/podcast/nfl-draft-tracker-podcast

Tyrann Mathieu a scouting report

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/tyrann-mathieu?id=2540180

Ok...your draft trade...totally unnecessary. We lost two DL...signed one (Dorsey), nobody else has been cut. Tukuafu plays on defense & offense...not sure he'd be cut. There's also Jerrod-Eddie, who could have a future. Better solution, IMHO, would be one of the "bigs" who can play anywhere on the DL. Both Williams (Jesse & Sly) can do that, as can a few others. I really like Sly Williams because he's got it all...size, versatility and is really quick. Doing that at #31 means you could arguably get Elam at #34, a better option at S. No Ryan Swope...instead take Marcus Davis from VA Tech. He's a big WR who could in essence replace Walker...dude ran a 4.45 X 40. Also not sure they'd cut Rogers in favor of Asomugha...could happen, but only if they're convinced Nnamdi's 2 yrs in Philly were an abberation due to their zone defense. 3rd rd's too early for Mathieu...risky because he didn't play in 2012 due to drug issues. If they're going to take a chance on him, then I don't see it earlier than maybe 5th rd, even 6th.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Ok...your draft trade...totally unnecessary. We lost two DL...signed one (Dorsey), nobody else has been cut. Tukuafu plays on defense & offense...not sure he'd be cut. There's also Jerrod-Eddie, who could have a future. Better solution, IMHO, would be one of the "bigs" who can play anywhere on the DL. Both Williams (Jesse & Sly) can do that, as can a few others. I really like Sly Williams because he's got it all...size, versatility and is really quick. Doing that at #31 means you could arguably get Elam at #34, a better option at S. No Ryan Swope...instead take Marcus Davis from VA Tech. He's a big WR who could in essence replace Walker...dude ran a 4.45 X 40. Also not sure they'd cut Rogers in favor of Asomugha...could happen, but only if they're convinced Nnamdi's 2 yrs in Philly were an abberation due to their zone defense. 3rd rd's too early for Mathieu...risky because he didn't play in 2012 due to drug issues. If they're going to take a chance on him, then I don't see it earlier than maybe 5th rd, even 6th.

With Mathieu, if you're going to decide to "take a chance" that means you have to draft him where he's available. Based on the mocks and rankings I've seen it would be almost unfathomable for him to be in the 5th round. So basically what you're advocating is removing him from our board, which is fair enough; that might ultimately be the 49ers' call but at this point I admit I'm enamored with his potential!

As for Marcus Davis, I actually considered both him and Mark Harrison after participating in a thread about "Delanie replacements." Seems both have similar measurables and should be available in the last two rounds. Other than that, I admit I know nothing about them aside from scouting reports. Maybe I'll change the pick to Davis, but I don't think a WR/TE in the 7th should replace taking a WR in the 2/3 range, as you suggest. I think Swope would be a great fit here.

You could be right about Tufuaku's security on the team, but if we use this many of our picks (I believe I've used 12), then some of the fringe players we've gotten used to over the past few years are finally going to have some competition. For example, if two or three of our picks are DL, along with Dorsey (and accounting for the RJF and Sopoaga defections), then one or two previous fringe guys are probably gone. And Ian Williams got a new deal. You point out that Tufuaku plays some offensive snaps, but Jesse Williams has that versatility as well and is far more talented.

Trading up from 31 to 25 may be unnecessary depending on whom the 49ers target, but I don't know about "totally unnecessary." We have to use our picks somehow, and that somehow probably doesn't include keeping 14. Bypassing five rival teams for first-round talent seems like the best place to spend some draft capital. In the middle rounds, players are more fungible, e.g., if you have three favorite WRs with 3rd round grades, maybe you sit in the 3rd round and see which one falls. In the first round is where I think you want to identify "your guy" and be a little more proactive about getting him, not just seeing who falls.

I think we will draft DL in the first round. Whomever Baalke identifies as "his guy" who he thinks could be there at the end of round 1, I think leapfrogging five rival teams who also use 3-4 lines and who also could use DL help makes a lot of sense.

As for Asomugha, the 49ers' current CB approach confuses me a little since they've been linked to a couple "big" CBs (Sean Smith, Asomugha) despite returning our entire CB group. Rogers seems a likelier casualty than Culliver or Brown (based on age, production, $$) if they are able to land one of their FA targets.
I'm going to redo some things as it looks like our highest comp will be a 4th, not a 3rd.

Also, our S group is looking weaker and weaker if Dahl is really our only FA replacement for Goldson. If I waver about taking a chance on Mathieu, I might just replace him with a S (making two in the first three rounds).
Except for Klein this is one of the best mocks I've seen on the site.
That's one hell of a draft. Also rate it one of the best that I've seen out there....
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Except for Klein this is one of the best mocks I've seen on the site.

Downgrading me for a 7th round QB project??

Serious question: Is it simply that you don't think Klein will ever make it as an NFL backup (a reasonable assessment) or do you think we should use a higher round pick on a better QB prospect this year?

I think if Manuel and Scott go in the first 3-4 rounds, that's too high for us to target a backup. With this being a weak QB class, I think we should sign a veteran backup to compete with Tolzien.
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Downgrading me for a 7th round QB project??

Serious question: Is it simply that you don't think Klein will ever make it as an NFL backup (a reasonable assessment) or do you think we should use a higher round pick on a better QB prospect this year?

I think if Manuel and Scott go in the first 3-4 rounds, that's too high for us to target a backup. With this being a weak QB class, I think we should sign a veteran backup to compete with Tolzien.


I'm surprised we haven't signed Josh Johnson yet!
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
I'm going to redo some things as it looks like our highest comp will be a 4th, not a 3rd.

Also, our S group is looking weaker and weaker if Dahl is really our only FA replacement for Goldson. If I waver about taking a chance on Mathieu, I might just replace him with a S (making two in the first three rounds).

U give me Joe Kruger N WR Davis in late rounds N ill ok tha mathieu pick
I'm surprised and intrigued by the Haralson restructure. I still feel like this team needs one more pass rush specialist, although his return complicates the OLB depth chart. I'm going to bring some changes tomorrow.
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
I'm going to redo some things as it looks like our highest comp will be a 4th, not a 3rd.

Also, our S group is looking weaker and weaker if Dahl is really our only FA replacement for Goldson. If I waver about taking a chance on Mathieu, I might just replace him with a S (making two in the first three rounds).

U give me Joe Kruger N WR Davis in late rounds N ill ok tha mathieu pick

Appreciate the input as always. I read up on your prospects and decided to add them for now.

Still mulling over how to use my 4th rounder after crossing OLB off my needs list in light of the Haralson news. Stuck Lattimore there for now.
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
I'm going to redo some things as it looks like our highest comp will be a 4th, not a 3rd.

Also, our S group is looking weaker and weaker if Dahl is really our only FA replacement for Goldson. If I waver about taking a chance on Mathieu, I might just replace him with a S (making two in the first three rounds).

U give me Joe Kruger N WR Davis in late rounds N ill ok tha mathieu pick

Appreciate the input as always. I read up on your prospects and decided to add them for now.

Still mulling over how to use my 4th rounder after crossing OLB off my needs list in light of the Haralson news. Stuck Lattimore there for now.

U really don't think we should get a OLB/PASS RUSH Guy ..I'm not sure we have to many unknown players that may become something but u can never have enough pass rush ...
Some changes and updates. Replaced my Tynes signing with the confirmed Dawson signing.

The 3rd and 4th round picks are definitely where I am most torn (although I've still been using our 4th in a trade up). I think we need two DL and a S in the first two rounds. After round 5, I just think we need a K and some longshot prospects. The 3-4 sweet spot is where I'm torn about taking an OLB, RB (Lattimore specifically), CB, and WR. For now I replaced Mathieu with Jamie Collins. If Baalke isn't as gaga for Lattimore as WZ fans are, I think the three positions taken in this range will/should be CB, WR, and OLB. Although CB is a bit of a luxury pick with all our starters returning and possibly Nmamdi. I currently don't have a punt returner on the team.
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Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
I'm going to redo some things as it looks like our highest comp will be a 4th, not a 3rd.

Also, our S group is looking weaker and weaker if Dahl is really our only FA replacement for Goldson. If I waver about taking a chance on Mathieu, I might just replace him with a S (making two in the first three rounds).

U give me Joe Kruger N WR Davis in late rounds N ill ok tha mathieu pick

Appreciate the input as always. I read up on your prospects and decided to add them for now.

Still mulling over how to use my 4th rounder after crossing OLB off my needs list in light of the Haralson news. Stuck Lattimore there for now.

U really don't think we should get a OLB/PASS RUSH Guy ..I'm not sure we have to many unknown players that may become something but u can never have enough pass rush ...

I would keep OLB on the list of needs.

I think Haralson's new contract is only for a year.

In general, Haralson does not provide much pass rush.

We do not know how the youngsters are going to do.

Our defense could use a good pass rusher and we do have the picks.

I like Collins from Southern Miss. If we could get him with a third, I would more than happy.
Hhmmm haven't read much on Collins I'm on Brandon Jenkins wagon myself lol thinking Jenkins at #61 think it helps us N piss bigg bro at ravens off who need OLB/PASSRUSH help bad after losing Kruger N ellerbe...