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Trade pick 34 for 2014 1st rd pick?

Trade pick 34 for 2014 1st rd pick?

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Therefore, you are saying that he difference in value between 34 and 62 is only a 4th rd. pick. Therefore you are suggesting that trading from 34 to 62 would carry a fair value of a 4th round pick.

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who said anything about being fair?
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by saj4423:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by saj4423:
I would deal our 2nd 2nd round pick for a future #1 but if they want pick 34 then I would want at least a 4th to go with it.

The discrepancy of what you said is massive. That's like saying that to trade from 62 to 34 only takes a 4th round pick...

What does trading from 62 to 34 have anything to do with it? What I said was I would deal the niners second 2nd round pick for a future #1 but if the other team wanted the #34 pick I would want at least a 4th round pick to go along with the future #1 pick.
Ok, let me explain.

The two trades you proposed that are equivalent ar:

[34 ==> 2014 1st and 2013 4th]

AND

[62 (our 2nd, 2nd rounder) ==> 2014 1st].

Correct? Therefore, the difference in compensation is only a 2013 4th round pick. Therefore, you are saying that he difference in value between 34 and 62 is only a 4th rd. pick. Therefore you are suggesting that trading from 34 to 62 would carry a fair value of a 4th round pick.

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In a case like that where they are trading a 2 for a future 1 then yes an extra 4th would be worth it.
Originally posted by saj4423:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by saj4423:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by saj4423:
I would deal our 2nd 2nd round pick for a future #1 but if they want pick 34 then I would want at least a 4th to go with it.

The discrepancy of what you said is massive. That's like saying that to trade from 62 to 34 only takes a 4th round pick...

What does trading from 62 to 34 have anything to do with it? What I said was I would deal the niners second 2nd round pick for a future #1 but if the other team wanted the #34 pick I would want at least a 4th round pick to go along with the future #1 pick.
Ok, let me explain.

The two trades you proposed that are equivalent ar:

[34 ==> 2014 1st and 2013 4th]

AND

[62 (our 2nd, 2nd rounder) ==> 2014 1st].

Correct? Therefore, the difference in compensation is only a 2013 4th round pick. Therefore, you are saying that he difference in value between 34 and 62 is only a 4th rd. pick. Therefore you are suggesting that trading from 34 to 62 would carry a fair value of a 4th round pick.

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In a case like that where they are trading a 2 for a future 1 then yes an extra 4th would be worth it.

But you see how that translates to a jump from 34 to 62 only being worth a 4th rd. pick. My point is that pick 62 is WAY too low to get a future 1st rd. pick. Unless it's from a team absolutely certain they will be picking in the late 20s or early 30s. Even in that case it's unlikely.
Turn a 2nd round pick into a first....no brainer right? Makes the value of trading Smith even hire
Do the Raiders have a 2014 1st round pick? They would surely want to pass that over to us for a 2nd or 3rd round in 2013.

I like the idea but my guess is that we would package 31 and 34 to move up higher in the round vs trade 34 for a first rounded next year.

In Baalke we trust!
While i agree i like the idea of trading out of 31 or 34 to add a 2014 first rd pick, one could easily argue against it. Balke is generally regarded as having made great moves in last years draft which set us up for a big 2013 draft... But one could also look at it from the perspective, that those moves could have cost us a Super Bowl. We basically gave up a 3rd rd pick last year which could have been the defensive line depth we badly needed at the end of the season. While its great to plan for the future, lets do so in such a way that we are maximizing the roster potential we already have.

Therefore, i see the most prudent thing to do would be to trade away picks for future years that probably dont make the team (late rd picks). A compromise would be the following scenario:

Trade 31 for a mid 2013 3rd + 2014 1st.
Then trade up back into 2nd rd using the later rd picks.
If it's from a wack ass team, yes.
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Originally posted by Olejohnnyboy:
I have a hunch we'll package our 31st and 34th pick to move up significantly in the first round for Justin Smith's replacement.


That is a lot to give up for a player that will most likely be a back-up player for at least a full year.

In addition, players like Justin Smith do not come along very often.

The chance that the player we draft becomes another Justin Smith is slight at best.
Originally posted by Olejohnnyboy:
I have a hunch we'll package our 31st and 34th pick to move up significantly in the first round for Justin Smith's replacement.

Move up for what? Moving up in a draft that is flat with talent at the top makes absolutely no sense. There's some years where its a great idea to move up, this draft offers mediocre value at the very top but significant value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Just posted on twitter by Daniel Jaremiah (former Baltimore and Phi scout and current NFLN analyst):

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Next year's draft should be loaded with top tier talent. Wonder if SF will shop late 1st or early 2nd for a 1st next yr. #PotentialJackpot
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
No thanks. This is, IMHO, a particularly "juicy" draft in the 25-45 range.

Ever year seems like that.
In the end it depends on which team wants to do the trade.
Only way we trade #34 pick is if we know we're getting a top 10 pick frm the other team I want clowney olb or amerson CB ... remember tha 34 pick could get us a really good CB ...
I'm thinking in this order for next years draft.

Jets - they'll be lucky to win one game
Jacksonville
Raiders
Browns

They'd be realistic trading partners. AND then - there is ALWAYS the surprise team that fails because of injuries and bad coaching.
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Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Only way we trade #34 pick is if we know we're getting a top 10 pick frm the other team I want clowney olb or amerson CB ... remember tha 34 pick could get us a really good CB ...

There is an Amerson in this year's draft. He came out early.

Is this the guy you are thinking about?


*David Amerson CB North Carolina St 6-219
Baalke could really make hay with #31 and 34 picks...that'd be sacrificing 27 spots by settling for the #61 pick. I see no compelling reason to do that. TB could come with a top DL and CB/S by standing pat. So, no thanks.