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Paraag Marathe: "Our Level of Spending on Defense is not sustainable over time"

I've said this all along. A long term deal was going to be given to either Bowman or Goldson. The team choose bowman earlier and I believe goldson will walk. Harbaugh said he deserves to be rewarded and the Niners don't have the cap room to do that so they will let him go and not tag him. I think we'll get a guy early in the draft with great coverage skills.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You're right. You make a good point.

I think its similar to when Singletary said every player is equally important, including the quarterback. It sounds nice to say, but in reality, I am sure they value having a top WR more than having a, for example, a top G. Let me just say it, I think Crabtree is much more valuable to this team than Iupati. A guard is not as valuable. They are very valuable, but not AS valuable. That is my opinion.

I think that comment was made because of the fact that they ended up signing two super star middle linebackers. I think Willis and Bowman are exceptions to the rule. They are too good to let walk. They are a bit of a special situation.
I can't imagine letting Crabtree walk and keeping a DB or a G over him. I don't anticipate Baalke thinking like that.
This. Crabtree just comes across like a gamer. A guy that wants the ball. A guy that can have a 100+ catch season. A guy that wants to win. I'll take a guy like that any day. When you get right down to it, Crabtree is one of our core guys on offense.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
If you think about the Paraag Marathe quote and what it means, you shouldn't expect the Niners to be drafting many offensive players this time around. He's clearly saying that their defense needs to get cheaper and we know it never hurts to get younger. The fact that this is acknowledged to be a draft heavy with defensive talent ices the deal. I'll be surprised if they take ANY offensive players with their first five picks.

I think you're right. Expect this draft to be all about acquiring new/future starters for the defense.
i think so to and i think that will be very very exciting plus i am hoping those two linebackers that we drafted last year who got hurt can do some things


This. Fleming was taken in the 5th, which means it was a value pick. and Cam Johnson is supposed to have a high ceiling so hopefully he put on weight and is learning alot.
I really see the 1st 4 picks going DL/DB, DL/DB, WR, DL.
by DL im referring to both DE and NT, I think its all about who falls and who rises.
Originally posted by niners9:
I've said this all along. A long term deal was going to be given to either Bowman or Goldson. The team choose bowman earlier and I believe goldson will walk. Harbaugh said he deserves to be rewarded and the Niners don't have the cap room to do that so they will let him go and not tag him. I think we'll get a guy early in the draft with great coverage skills.

sucks how I was just reading this article other day lol. I wish we could just backload the hell out of his contract like pay im 4-5mil this year and in year 3 give him the biggest part of his contract. I could see us having room then bcuz I think they cut Rogers, J.Smith retires, Gore retires by then. But of course that probably isnt realistic
You need to draft a kicker.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
I thought it was more than that (like 9 mil per). If it is only 6 mil then I would consider that a discount price for him.

6 years, $37m...but I'm seeing conflicting sources. Some are saying 6/44 while others are saying 6/37. AB83's site, Ninercaphell.com, says 6/37

And as you can see above, Brooks was one of the best bargains on the entire team.


didnt it drop to like 4million though because he didnt meet all the incentives?
Originally posted by nickbradley:
We have starters at WR. We'd have 1st and second day rookies competing for the starting S spots against Spillman, Robinson, McBath, and maybe Cox (he's listed as a safety).

Whitner gave up more TDs than any other safety in the NFL, If I'm correct.
Agreed. I think we need help along the D-line.
I doubt we will cut both starting safeties. For me I would rather sign Goldson and dump Whitner.

The context of this thread I agree and I think Marathe and Baalke are making the "current defense...unsustainable" comments is a political ploy to begin the FA season on the right FO footing.
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Originally posted by thl408:
I thought what Demoff said at the end was very odd: "We have all stopped looking at where you spend. It is, 'How do you accumulate the best players regardless of position?'"

I think this is not applicable to a team like the current 49ers who have an abundance of good players and have to be selective in choosing who they want to retain.

It was my thinking that in the salary cap era, you have to identify how you want to build your team and in doing so, identify where you are willing to spend more. Using the 49ers as an example, I would think that the defensive front 7 and O-line are most important to what they want to do (and of course QB). So, the O-line takes on more importance than the RB position. We saw Gore, LMJ, Hunter all succeed behind a well built O-line. We saw the DBs look good behind a fantastic front 7 (until injuries).

With that in mind, letting Crabtree walk while using the money to retain Iupati, ADavis, ASmith, extend Staley, etc. might be what we see. This is a drastic example to illustrate the point I'm trying to make. If I had a fantastic O-line, and as a GM I placed high value in having a great O-line, I would settle for less from the RB and WR position, provided I have a good QB (which the 49ers do). Baalke may disagree with what Demoff said in the quote above. If Baalke holds his front 7 in higher regard, then Baalke can't retain Goldson, because he has to think about whether he wants to retain Aldon next season. If Baalke holds his O-line in higher regard than the RB/WR positions, then he may not retain Crabtree because he would rather retain Iupati, ADavis, or extend Staley and go with a solid but unspectacular WR.

I agree but just so you know Joe Staley is signed until 2017
Originally posted by KID9R:
I agree but just so you know Joe Staley is signed until 2017

Ah yes. I should have researched that before posting. Thanks. Reassuring to know.
Maybe that's why it's so good. Do you want the lowest paid defense?
Agree...we won't draft 15 players. If they cut Whitner they could save $4.1M against the cap. But, with Goldson no lock to stay, would you want to cut Whitner? And replace him with a rookie or PS player? Doesn't really make sense...he's in the last year of his current contract. It's fine to draft a S (maybe two), but you surely don't want to open the season with two inexperienced S. If they cut Rogers after 1 June, they could save $4.1M. Same deal, though, if you cut him, who do you replace him with? If they cut Akers they could save $3M against the cap. Understand Hopkins and Sturges are outstanding K, albeit rookies to potentially replace him. With Haralson, they could save $2.87M, but OLB position's still pretty thin. Releasing Goodwin (not on your list, but I'm including him here) would free up @$4.75M or so...the team's only on the hook for his prorated signing bonus of $667K. He could be replaced by either Looney or Kilgore. The rest of the guys on your list don't have Niner contracts. To further reduce the cap, Paarag will ask some of the vets to restructure their contracts. If all the above were cut, it'd yield a total of just under $19M in cap savings. The big question marks are at S and CB...when you cut vets you relinquish a lot of experience. Combining the $2.1 we were under the cap and the $9.75 we'll save with the Alex trade, it comes out to a grand total of a little over $30M. That doesn't count any veteran contract restructures. The key, though, is to strike a balance, so you're not cutting too much veteran talent only to be largely replaced by rookies or inexperienced players. It's good we have Paarag and Baalke...they're two very smart and savvy guys, so I'm confident they'll do their typical great job in securing the right mix. Back to the draft, because we have so many picks, I'd expect TB to come away with @ 8 or 9 top-drawer players...that and a few key FA signings and vet contract restructures should give Harbaugh the talent to win SB # 6.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Agree...we won't draft 15 players. If they cut Whitner they could save $4.1M against the cap. But, with Goldson no lock to stay, would you want to cut Whitner? And replace him with a rookie or PS player? Doesn't really make sense...he's in the last year of his current contract. It's fine to draft a S (maybe two), but you surely don't want to open the season with two inexperienced S. If they cut Rogers after 1 June, they could save $4.1M. Same deal, though, if you cut him, who do you replace him with? If they cut Akers they could save $3M against the cap. Understand Hopkins and Sturges are outstanding K, albeit rookies to potentially replace him. With Haralson, they could save $2.87M, but OLB position's still pretty thin. Releasing Goodwin (not on your list, but I'm including him here) would free up @$4.75M or so...the team's only on the hook for his prorated signing bonus of $667K. He could be replaced by either Looney or Kilgore. The rest of the guys on your list don't have Niner contracts. To further reduce the cap, Paarag will ask some of the vets to restructure their contracts. If all the above were cut, it'd yield a total of just under $19M in cap savings. The big question marks are at S and CB...when you cut vets you relinquish a lot of experience. Combining the $2.1 we were under the cap and the $9.75 we'll save with the Alex trade, it comes out to a grand total of a little over $30M. That doesn't count any veteran contract restructures. The key, though, is to strike a balance, so you're not cutting too much veteran talent only to be largely replaced by rookies or inexperienced players. It's good we have Paarag and Baalke...they're two very smart and savvy guys, so I'm confident they'll do their typical great job in securing the right mix. Back to the draft, because we have so many picks, I'd expect TB to come away with @ 8 or 9 top-drawer players...that and a few key FA signings and vet contract restructures should give Harbaugh the talent to win SB # 6.
Nice post. Going to be a very interesting offseason.
In 2012 we spent the most cap money on defensive players than any team in the NFL. I forget where it is on ESPN.com, but they have the table up with offensive too. We were big spenders on offense too. The defense was inflated a bit due to Willis have a $17 million cap figure, but still see's where we value our team, defense. We will need to pony up for Crabtree and the OL like Iupati and Davis to keep them. I wouldn't worry about Kap much, I hope though he is signed after 2013 for an extension, that way it frees up the franchise tag for Crabs or Iupati in 2015. Aldon has an option for 2015, he is a 49er through 2015 at least, so tag him if need be in 2016.
Give me Jamie Collins instead of Amerson and I would be very happy with this draft.