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Analysis of Round 2 WR Prospects

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
Where do you guyz see Robert Woods of USC going ??, (Harbaugh stood up and watched this guy everywhere he was at the combine and took several notes..)

Smokescreen? I know Coach Morton is from USC, but he should have lost all credibility in the RoJo debacle. What a bloody shambles that was.
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Quinton Patton.....smooth like butter. He's not super fast but he's very quick and when he hits his top speed, he really doesn't slow down a bit going into his cuts, that will cause any cornerback difficulty in staying with him. His biggest weakness is dealing with teams aggressively pressing him, jamming him...etc, otherwise, I'd say he's one of the most difficult WR's to cover consistently.


If you watch him play, its like poetry in motion, he runs very gracefully, there's no wasted movement, he looks very coordinated and just.....smooth. Also he's got a tremendous set of hands, very natural hands catcher, rarely catches using his body. Still see him winding up at the top WR from this draft in a few years.


As a bonus, great character guy, a team leader, active in charities, highly, intensely competitive and hard-working, the "first guy in, last guy out" type of player, always looking to improve.

Yeah I like Patton too. I'd be happy if we took him... assuming Rogers isn't available. He plays much faster than he ran at the combine. Like you said, very quick in his movements.

I think the most important thing is someone who can consistently make plays. Rice wasn't a burner, but still found the endzone a few times. The biggest problem with Patton isn't even Patton. It just seems like he's too much of a duplication of what AJ Jenkins is "supposed" to bring to the field. I'd really like to get a big, redzone target.

But, I do like the reference to "butter".
Originally posted by Butter:
I think the most important thing is someone who can consistently make plays. Rice wasn't a burner, but still found the endzone a few times. The biggest problem with Patton isn't even Patton. It just seems like he's too much of a duplication of what AJ Jenkins is "supposed" to bring to the field. I'd really like to get a big, redzone target.

But, I do like the reference to "butter".

I totally agree. That's why I like Da'Rick Rogers.
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by Butter:
I think the most important thing is someone who can consistently make plays. Rice wasn't a burner, but still found the endzone a few times. The biggest problem with Patton isn't even Patton. It just seems like he's too much of a duplication of what AJ Jenkins is "supposed" to bring to the field. I'd really like to get a big, redzone target.

But, I do like the reference to "butter".

I totally agree. That's why I like Da'Rick Rogers.

I'll admit, the idea of Rogers does intrigue me. The question is, how likely is he to ever say something like, "I love me some me"?
Originally posted by Butter:
I think the most important thing is someone who can consistently make plays. Rice wasn't a burner, but still found the endzone a few times. The biggest problem with Patton isn't even Patton. It just seems like he's too much of a duplication of what AJ Jenkins is "supposed" to bring to the field. I'd really like to get a big, redzone target.

But, I do like the reference to "butter".

They're not even the same player. Jenkins always more of a vertical threat.....get down field and make the play.....while Patton is a guy who simply beats teams in the intermediate zones, picks up yards after the catch, makes plays all over the field.


Also the idea that you need a big WR to be a threat in the red-zone is kind of anachronistic. You need quickness to beat the cornerback and get open in a hurry. You're really not going to have a target that's going to really outsize guys like Richard Sherman or Brandon Browner but you can get a guy who beats them with quickness and gets separation fast. Additionally Kaepernick has not shown the inclination to make throws going up over the top whatsoever, even to Randy Moss. He got picked off by Sherman for that reason, gunned the ball in a few seconds too late instead of going up with it.


Jenkins falls along the lines of a slot WR, a downfield threat while I see Patton as a guy who is a future #1 WR in the NFL, some have compared him to Reggie Wayne.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM ]
Originally posted by blm7754:
I've spent some time watching film of several WR prospects likely to be available in round 2 of the draft. I know there are other threads discussing some of these guys. But I thought I'd put my analysis in one place and link to other specific discussions where appropriate. Here it is:

Justin Hunter, WR 6-4 196 (4.44 40yrd):

Pros: He's fast and tall. Plucks the ball out of the air very nicely. Good at the jump ball.

Cons: He looks too lanky to hold up in the NFL. I look at him run, and all I can see is Mario Manningham's knees getting blown to bits. He's
got a tall frame and he's an underclassmen, so he could bulk up very quickly without affecting his speed. But I think that needs to happen
before we rely on him to be a starter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFykvxt0Cg8

Terrance Williams, WR 6-2 208 (4.52 40yrd):

Pros: Positions himself between the ball and defender in tight coverage. Good hands. Uses the sideline well.

Cons: He seems to go down too easy. Looses his balance... or maybe afraid of contact. Not real physical. He's a great vertical route runner, but faster NFL DBs may limit this aspect of his game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3ASYyhUB4

DeAndre Hopkins, WR 6-1 214 (4.57 40yrd):

Pros: Very tough receiver. Great balance and body control. Great hands. Good route runner. Good jumper and great YAC. Adjusts to the ball while it's in the air. Good over the middle.

Cons: He's not a burner. But he's one of the best on film. I don't see a downside other than his 40 time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWm9pNiXYY

Quinton Patton, WR 6-0 204 (4.53yrd):

Pros: Plays faster than his 40 time suggests. He gets good separation on deep routes, even against double coverage. Also a tough receiver that gets YAC. Quick change of direction, he's shifty.

Cons: Most of his separation comes from jukes on his breaks and speed. Doesn't sell the more complex routes very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOC2hKV7iM

Da'Rick Rogers, WR 6-3 217 (4.52yrd):

Pros: A very physical receiver that fights for the ball. Tough to bring down after the catch. Catches the ball away from his body but quick to bring it in and secure it.

Cons: He was suspended from Tennessee for repeated violation of the schools substance abuse policy for athletes. This was when he was a
sophomore. Aside from potential character concerns, I don't see any downsides to his play on the field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

My Favorites:

My pick of this group would be Da'Rick Rogers. He looks by far the best and most complete on film. Sure, there are some character concerns. But he's young. Give him some quality coaching in a solid locker room and he will come around.

If Baalke decides to steer clear of possible bad characters, then my second choice would be Deandre Hopkins. He looked equally physical as Rogers and he looks faster on film than he obviously ran at the combine. I think when it comes down to it, you've got to draft good football players and not pay too much attention to measurables. Hopkins is a very good football player.

Thoughts?

Rogers is being discussed here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/171440-darick-rogers-in-round-2/
Hopkins is being discussed here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/171521-deandre-hopkins-wr-clemson/

What about Aaron Dobson? Many sites have him in a similar range to Rogers and Hunter?
Originally posted by Butter:
What about Aaron Dobson? Many sites have him in a similar range to Rogers and Hunter?

Separation issues, some have compared him to Brian Quick of the Rams, big WR, but can't separate at the next level.
I want Tavon Austin first.. Then a big receiver. That way we let Ginn walk without having a need for punt returner and we get the next Percy!!
Robert Woods!
DeAndre Hopkins is a bigger tougher verison of Brandon Llyod. Both have a knack to get open deep without having great speed and are excellent route runners.
rogers and hopkins sound the best. game speed>combine speed
da'rick rogers all the way--
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Quinton Patton.....smooth like butter. He's not super fast but he's very quick and when he hits his top speed, he really doesn't slow down a bit going into his cuts, that will cause any cornerback difficulty in staying with him. His biggest weakness is dealing with teams aggressively pressing him, jamming him...etc, otherwise, I'd say he's one of the most difficult WR's to cover consistently.


If you watch him play, its like poetry in motion, he runs very gracefully, there's no wasted movement, he looks very coordinated and just.....smooth. Also he's got a tremendous set of hands, very natural hands catcher, rarely catches using his body. Still see him winding up at the top WR from this draft in a few years.


As a bonus, great character guy, a team leader, active in charities, highly, intensely competitive and hard-working, the "first guy in, last guy out" type of player, always looking to improve.

Yeah I like Patton too. I'd be happy if we took him... assuming Rogers isn't available. He plays much faster than he ran at the combine. Like you said, very quick in his movements.

I think the most important thing is someone who can consistently make plays. Rice wasn't a burner, but still found the endzone a few times. The biggest problem with Patton isn't even Patton. It just seems like he's too much of a duplication of what AJ Jenkins is "supposed" to bring to the field. I'd really like to get a big, redzone target.

But, I do like the reference to "butter".

There is a lot to like about Patton, but the perceived similarities to A.J. Jenkins concern me. 8 reps on the bench at the combine? A.J. was already too weak to play in year one, so do we really need another player like that. I agree that we need a big physical receiver who can battle Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner on a regualar basis. Right now I'm hoping for Da'Rick Rogers in the 3rd. I am also intrigued by a guy like Mark Harrison later in the draft. He has T.O. size and speed, and has been working with Brandon Marshall in Florida as part of his draft prep.
Originally posted by blm7754:
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Da'Rick Rogers, WR 6-3 217 (4.52yrd):

Pros: A very physical receiver that fights for the ball. Tough to bring down after the catch. Catches the ball away from his body but quick to bring it in and secure it.

Cons: He was suspended from Tennessee for repeated violation of the schools substance abuse policy for athletes. This was when he was a
sophomore. Aside from potential character concerns, I don't see any downsides to his play on the field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

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I want Da'Rick at #34.