There are 63 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

BigWads Mock Offseason 2013 2.0 (post combine)

^ so with Hunter coming off an achilles tear and not knowing his status, you would feel comfortable going into next season with James, Taylor and a question mark in Hunter as your RB's?
And yes, draft and FA's were nice.
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Feb 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM ]
sorry man
bad mock
No Thanks. I dont like much about this Mock. the trades, the draft no thanks.
This has got to be one of the silliest mocks I've seen lately. I'm not sure what causes something like this. Maybe it has something to do with fantasy football or people playing Madden. I don't know.

First, nobody is trading Frank Gore, period. Secondly, they're not getting rid of Manningham. That would be silly. And third, you don't take the best offensive line in the league and eliminate the anchor in the middle, Goodwin, to save a little money. You just don't do that. It's not Madden. It's not Fantasy football. It's the offensive line in the real world, and the key to most successful franchises is a cohesive offensive line that has been together for multiple seasons.
Don't get so offended man. You put yourself out there you should expect some amount of criticism. It's not malicious intent either your off season has some flaws but that's just the way it goes. I drafted a punter in my mock and you would've thought I had killed Jesus. It's constructive criticism man so don't take it so seriously when someone doesn't agree with you.
[ Edited by eonblue on Feb 20, 2013 at 4:39 PM ]
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Thanks - Bigwads - lots of work and I appreciate the time it took.

Pluses and Minuses all over the place and frankly, too many to go into. So, I'll list some that IMO stand out.

Resign: I like resigning Goldson BUT my only misgiving is - How many High-Quality Years do you think he has left? He really doesn't cover receivers that well. That's been on my mind and I'm not sure if we should franchise him for another year and groom his replacement. I really don't know and am throwing that out there for opinions.

Release: Manningham is a real question - not everyone will heal like APeterson and we'll need to get a read on how he's progressing.
Goodwin played VERY well most of the season and I am VERY hopeful that Kilgore/Looney can step in. Kilgore has advatage of being in the system 2 seasons an going into a 3rd. I'm inclined to keep himprimarily as an isurance for injury.

Thank you for the thoughts. Goldson is vexing as you mentioned. He is "older" but not "old" and if I had to guess probably 3 or 4 more solid years left (but you never know what happens when they get a long term deal....usually their production drops off until the playoffs start-this happened with Rogers this year who sucked IMO during the season but played very well during the playoffs). I think what I like about Goldson is he is a classic safety and doesn't really rely on raw athletic ability. He is a smart and savvy player who anticipates, which is what you want from the safety position. One thing to his credit is you see during the season who every team went right after Whitner with their TE's...but never went after Goldson.

As for Mannigham, I will go on record right now that if he doesn't get hurt we win the superbowl. He (or Kyle Williams for that matter) would have made the difference in the superbowl. I love Manningham actually. I think his salary is spot on for his caliber of player. The problem is that he absolutely destroyed his knee with both PCL and MCL tears from what I understand. He doesn't exactly strike me as a Adrian Peterson type player either. The best case scenerio for him is he plays the second half of the season ends with 20 catches or so and plays in the playoffs and has minimal impact. At least this is the likely best scenerio. I would much rather release him and gain the extra 3.5 million and then sign him later on in the season if he actually shows he can play and do so at a discount.

If Kilgore or Looney can't fill in for Goodwin Baalke officially had the worst offseason of all time last year. Outside of James, you could have just not had an offseason last year. Baalke's draft was F&*^%$ horrible last year. We are talking about the damn center position. With the talent and stability at the other four positions long term the center position becomes the position where guys need to fill in. This isn't a knock on Goodwin at all actually, it's just the money we have for the position.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Sorry about that>

Release: Drop kick Akers, and add to the list Harrelson, Dobbs, Tukaufu[sp]

Trades: Took some balls to trade gore and I don't agree with it. We would lose more tan we'd gain. He has injury history, 30+ years and lOTS of miles on him. He'll do VERY god with us but we couldn't getequitable value for him.

Draft: Disagree with 2 CB w/first 2 pick. Our real need is DL and that's where we, IMO, must focus. IMO, we need 3 DL pick ups in combination of fA and draft. I'd use the first 2 picks, depending who's available, on DL. If someone "Outstanding" is there when we select then we get the Very Best Available.

You have some very good picks - I really like Poyer, Da'Rick Rodgers, Hopkins. But 3 CB will not address our deep need on the DL.

Thanks again for all the work.

I actually totally agree with you about the DL issue. If you notice at the beginning of the thread I discuss how the future of the team really needs to be the front seven on defense, which were actually way more dominate in 2011 then 2012. We lost all our depth this season and it killed us in the playoffs. You will notice that my first selection in the first round is actually Jesse Williams who I really see as a great 3-4 DE like he was in college.

I do have us picking up Seymour in FA too mind you.

The problem was I was working with Maddog's big board who had Williams at #20. I really don't like the Sylvester kid from NC and as I mentioned Short is overrated. If we took Amerson at #31 and Short was available at my first pick in the 2nd round I would actually take Short over Poyer.

In other words, I think our DL has to be a major priority I just don't see the draft playing to our favor this year unless we make a bunch of trades to get the DL that would really help. That being said, I actually do think our secondary is a major concern.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
^ so with Hunter coming off an achilles tear and not knowing his status, you would feel comfortable going into next season with James, Taylor and a question mark in Hunter as your RB's?
And yes, draft and FA's were nice.

People come back from achilles issues all the time, and I would rather deal with that issue than Manningham's destroyed knee. Have you seen any reports of Hunter's injury status as negative? If there are than it would change the mock of course.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Don't get so offended man. You put yourself out there you should expect some amount of criticism. It's not malicious intent either your off season has some flaws but that's just the way it goes. I drafted a punter in my mock and you would've thought I had killed Jesus. It's constructive criticism man so don't take it so seriously when someone doesn't agree with you.

Love comments, but not stupid ones. The comments like "mock sucks, sorry dude" are so stupid. If someone has a take than argue it and make your points.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
This has got to be one of the silliest mocks I've seen lately. I'm not sure what causes something like this. Maybe it has something to do with fantasy football or people playing Madden. I don't know.

First, nobody is trading Frank Gore, period. Secondly, they're not getting rid of Manningham. That would be silly. And third, you don't take the best offensive line in the league and eliminate the anchor in the middle, Goodwin, to save a little money. You just don't do that. It's not Madden. It's not Fantasy football. It's the offensive line in the real world, and the key to most successful franchises is a cohesive offensive line that has been together for multiple seasons.

Hey noob, why don't you tell me why the mocks is Madden like instead of making unsubstantiated comments. If all you have is calling it "madden" like then don't bother posting unless you want to back up baseless statements.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Thank you for the thoughts. Goldson is vexing as you mentioned. He is "older" but not "old" and if I had to guess probably 3 or 4 more solid years left (but you never know what happens when they get a long term deal....usually their production drops off until the playoffs start-this happened with Rogers this year who sucked IMO during the season but played very well during the playoffs). I think what I like about Goldson is he is a classic safety and doesn't really rely on raw athletic ability. He is a smart and savvy player who anticipates, which is what you want from the safety position. One thing to his credit is you see during the season who every team went right after Whitner with their TE's...but never went after Goldson.

As for Mannigham, I will go on record right now that if he doesn't get hurt we win the superbowl. He (or Kyle Williams for that matter) would have made the difference in the superbowl. I love Manningham actually. I think his salary is spot on for his caliber of player. The problem is that he absolutely destroyed his knee with both PCL and MCL tears from what I understand. He doesn't exactly strike me as a Adrian Peterson type player either. The best case scenerio for him is he plays the second half of the season ends with 20 catches or so and plays in the playoffs and has minimal impact. At least this is the likely best scenerio. I would much rather release him and gain the extra 3.5 million and then sign him later on in the season if he actually shows he can play and do so at a discount.

If Kilgore or Looney can't fill in for Goodwin Baalke officially had the worst offseason of all time last year. Outside of James, you could have just not had an offseason last year. Baalke's draft was F&*^%$ horrible last year. We are talking about the damn center position. With the talent and stability at the other four positions long term the center position becomes the position where guys need to fill in. This isn't a knock on Goodwin at all actually, it's just the money we have for the position.

Dude your seriously underwriting manningham. Let me ask you something. Why do you draft 3 cbs when we already have 4? Your resigning a 5th. I mean your letting ginn and moss walk. Your cutting manningham. Do you seriously think crab, jenkins, williams, and rodgers are enough? Even if they were you would have zero backups. Do you think Williams is anymore reliable than manningham coming off injury? Jenkins had caught 0 passes and Rodgers has had behavior problems and could lead to a bust. WR is all ready an uncertainty and cutting manningham to save 2.35m would only compact the problem. Relying on Jenkins and Rodgers would probably have us looking for free agents half way through the season.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Thank you for the thoughts. Goldson is vexing as you mentioned. He is "older" but not "old" and if I had to guess probably 3 or 4 more solid years left (but you never know what happens when they get a long term deal....usually their production drops off until the playoffs start-this happened with Rogers this year who sucked IMO during the season but played very well during the playoffs). I think what I like about Goldson is he is a classic safety and doesn't really rely on raw athletic ability. He is a smart and savvy player who anticipates, which is what you want from the safety position. One thing to his credit is you see during the season who every team went right after Whitner with their TE's...but never went after Goldson.

As for Mannigham, I will go on record right now that if he doesn't get hurt we win the superbowl. He (or Kyle Williams for that matter) would have made the difference in the superbowl. I love Manningham actually. I think his salary is spot on for his caliber of player. The problem is that he absolutely destroyed his knee with both PCL and MCL tears from what I understand. He doesn't exactly strike me as a Adrian Peterson type player either. The best case scenerio for him is he plays the second half of the season ends with 20 catches or so and plays in the playoffs and has minimal impact. At least this is the likely best scenerio. I would much rather release him and gain the extra 3.5 million and then sign him later on in the season if he actually shows he can play and do so at a discount.

If Kilgore or Looney can't fill in for Goodwin Baalke officially had the worst offseason of all time last year. Outside of James, you could have just not had an offseason last year. Baalke's draft was F&*^%$ horrible last year. We are talking about the damn center position. With the talent and stability at the other four positions long term the center position becomes the position where guys need to fill in. This isn't a knock on Goodwin at all actually, it's just the money we have for the position.

Dude your seriously underwriting manningham. Let me ask you something. Why do you draft 3 cbs when we already have 4? Your resigning a 5th. I mean your letting ginn and moss walk. Your cutting manningham. Do you seriously think crab, jenkins, williams, and rodgers are enough? Even if they were you would have zero backups. Do you think Williams is anymore reliable than manningham coming off injury? Jenkins had caught 0 passes and Rodgers has had behavior problems and could lead to a bust. WR is all ready an uncertainty and cutting manningham to save 2.35m would only compact the problem. Relying on Jenkins and Rodgers would probably have us looking for free agents half way through the season.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Thank you for the thoughts. Goldson is vexing as you mentioned. He is "older" but not "old" and if I had to guess probably 3 or 4 more solid years left (but you never know what happens when they get a long term deal....usually their production drops off until the playoffs start-this happened with Rogers this year who sucked IMO during the season but played very well during the playoffs). I think what I like about Goldson is he is a classic safety and doesn't really rely on raw athletic ability. He is a smart and savvy player who anticipates, which is what you want from the safety position. One thing to his credit is you see during the season who every team went right after Whitner with their TE's...but never went after Goldson.

As for Mannigham, I will go on record right now that if he doesn't get hurt we win the superbowl. He (or Kyle Williams for that matter) would have made the difference in the superbowl. I love Manningham actually. I think his salary is spot on for his caliber of player. The problem is that he absolutely destroyed his knee with both PCL and MCL tears from what I understand. He doesn't exactly strike me as a Adrian Peterson type player either. The best case scenerio for him is he plays the second half of the season ends with 20 catches or so and plays in the playoffs and has minimal impact. At least this is the likely best scenerio. I would much rather release him and gain the extra 3.5 million and then sign him later on in the season if he actually shows he can play and do so at a discount.

If Kilgore or Looney can't fill in for Goodwin Baalke officially had the worst offseason of all time last year. Outside of James, you could have just not had an offseason last year. Baalke's draft was F&*^%$ horrible last year. We are talking about the damn center position. With the talent and stability at the other four positions long term the center position becomes the position where guys need to fill in. This isn't a knock on Goodwin at all actually, it's just the money we have for the position.

Kilgore hasn't played center since high school and Looney never did. You really think that if neither of them can step in and be as good as Goodwinn then Baalke is a failure?
Im not a big Goodwinn fan but we can afford to have him play out the last year of his contract with us without hurting the future. Center is just about as important as left tackle.
Yeah man any offseason that involves trading Frank Gore is a joke. Didn't even read after that, just wish I never saw it. He is the definition of a 49er. You could offer me a low first rounder for him and I wouldn't take it.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Thank you for the thoughts. Goldson is vexing as you mentioned. He is "older" but not "old" and if I had to guess probably 3 or 4 more solid years left (but you never know what happens when they get a long term deal....usually their production drops off until the playoffs start-this happened with Rogers this year who sucked IMO during the season but played very well during the playoffs). I think what I like about Goldson is he is a classic safety and doesn't really rely on raw athletic ability. He is a smart and savvy player who anticipates, which is what you want from the safety position. One thing to his credit is you see during the season who every team went right after Whitner with their TE's...but never went after Goldson.

As for Mannigham, I will go on record right now that if he doesn't get hurt we win the superbowl. He (or Kyle Williams for that matter) would have made the difference in the superbowl. I love Manningham actually. I think his salary is spot on for his caliber of player. The problem is that he absolutely destroyed his knee with both PCL and MCL tears from what I understand. He doesn't exactly strike me as a Adrian Peterson type player either. The best case scenerio for him is he plays the second half of the season ends with 20 catches or so and plays in the playoffs and has minimal impact. At least this is the likely best scenerio. I would much rather release him and gain the extra 3.5 million and then sign him later on in the season if he actually shows he can play and do so at a discount.

If Kilgore or Looney can't fill in for Goodwin Baalke officially had the worst offseason of all time last year. Outside of James, you could have just not had an offseason last year. Baalke's draft was F&*^%$ horrible last year. We are talking about the damn center position. With the talent and stability at the other four positions long term the center position becomes the position where guys need to fill in. This isn't a knock on Goodwin at all actually, it's just the money we have for the position.

Dude your seriously underwriting manningham. Let me ask you something. Why do you draft 3 cbs when we already have 4? Your resigning a 5th. I mean your letting ginn and moss walk. Your cutting manningham. Do you seriously think crab, jenkins, williams, and rodgers are enough? Even if they were you would have zero backups. Do you think Williams is anymore reliable than manningham coming off injury? Jenkins had caught 0 passes and Rodgers has had behavior problems and could lead to a bust. WR is all ready an uncertainty and cutting manningham to save 2.35m would only compact the problem. Relying on Jenkins and Rodgers would probably have us looking for free agents half way through the season.

I'm not sure what you mean by "underwriting" Manningham. If you mean under estimating him, that really has nothing to do with it. Did you read my comment earlier when I said that if Manningham wasn't hurt IMO we would have won the superbowl? I really like Manningham, he is a great complimentary player IMO. The Williams v. Manningham issue is really just about money. We can afford to take a chance on Williams because he makes the league minimum or close to it. We are 2.5 million over the cap right now, people are going to have to get real about our cap problem.