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2013 mock

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
We have two first round WR's on the roster, as well as Manningham and KW. Jenkins may not pan out but I would rather take a WR later and take our chances. We have much more pressing needs than WR.

And a 6th round project is not what i consider addressing the Dline. IMO addressing the depth on the Dline and in the secondary are the two top prioritys in this draft. I would much rather have a Wolfe/Hunt than a Hill/Patterson.

Im sorry but Im tired of debating dline priority. We have solid starters.in McDonald, sopo, and Smith. Were developing Williams and rjf is a solid back up. Fangio hasnt even been playing with three on dline for 30% of the snap. He drop the 0 tec and rushes the edge with the OLBs. We create pressure in many other ways and we simply dont need another stud DE to be effective. In fact we need someone to take up space in the middle more than 2 gap DE and thats why JESSE WILLIAMS is my #1 pick. We need someone who can.blow the.top off a defense and fight for the ball. A go to guy. I mean i could see drafting zark ertz or tyler eifert with the second but my first two rounds will always.be dline and offense in whatever order. Drafting 3 d linemen in the first 3 rds seems like thw only thing that would satisfy some people and frankly it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You mentioned patterson could be like Stephen hill, so i mentioned that i would have Taken Wolfe over Hill last draft, just like i would take Hunt over Patterson in this draft. Just doing a this year last year comparison thing.

I personally would ant to look a bit later at a guys like Jordan Mathews- WR- Vanderbilt- 6-3, 205, JR ----Or---- Aaron Mellette-Elon-WR- 6-4, 218, rSR, Both are big targets with good hands and good upside with a capable QB. Mathews IMO projects to the third, and Mellette Projects to the 4th/5th.

Not saying that we dont need a WR, because we do, but we have neglected Depth on the defense in recent drafts by going heavy offense in early rounds, and i would like to see us balance it out this year.

I mean the only arguable point in that investing a pick on WR while we dont have the verdict on Jenkins. I mean I would like Hunt in 2nd or Sylvester williams but all the prospect at DE seems so risky at our pick. I would much rather juat continue reinforc our wr corp. controllong the game woth your offense makes life easier on your d. You kewl them off the field and you can allow the secondary to play deeper gurading the deep ball. I,choose a WR from a perspective of dynamics between offense and defense and the fact we can do more with less if we just do it properly.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
We have two first round WR's on the roster, as well as Manningham and KW. Jenkins may not pan out but I would rather take a WR later and take our chances. We have much more pressing needs than WR.

And a 6th round project is not what i consider addressing the Dline. IMO addressing the depth on the Dline and in the secondary are the two top prioritys in this draft. I would much rather have a Wolfe/Hunt than a Hill/Patterson.

Im sorry but Im tired of debating dline priority. We have solid starters.in McDonald, sopo, and Smith. Were developing Williams and rjf is a solid back up. Fangio hasnt even been playing with three on dline for 30% of the snap. He drop the 0 tec and rushes the edge with the OLBs. We create pressure in many other ways and we simply dont need another stud DE to be effective. In fact we need someone to take up space in the middle more than 2 gap DE and thats why JESSE WILLIAMS is my #1 pick. We need someone who can.blow the.top off a defense and fight for the ball. A go to guy. I mean i could see drafting zark ertz or tyler eifert with the second but my first two rounds will always.be dline and offense in whatever order. Drafting 3 d linemen in the first 3 rds seems like thw only thing that would satisfy some people and frankly it's ridiculous.

Thats not what im calling for at all.

I agree that NT is the #1 priority, I have us taking a NT in the first in my early mock as well, especialy since Soap isaint under contract next season. But we cannot forget that Justin Smith is a free agent in 2014. WHile i feel Smith will want to stay with the 49ers and probably accept a reasonable price, its no guarantee. RJF and williams are not the answer IMO long term on the dline.

I personally think NT, S, and DE are the top three prioritys in this draft, and in that order. But guys like Hunt will not be around in later rounds, thats why i feel it will be important to address NT and DE in the 1st and 2nd. S could be had in the third. I personally have 1.NT, 2. DE, 3a. TE, 3b. WR, 4. S (although i think my S will jump into the third and i would take him there as well)

Im sorry if you disagree and feel i as being arguementive. I wasnt. I was mostly having a side conversasion with the other poster i was discussing with. Like i said i would be happy with the draft, but would change a few things, and you posted it here for all of us to comment on.

WR simply isaint a huge need early this year IMO.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You mentioned patterson could be like Stephen hill, so i mentioned that i would have Taken Wolfe over Hill last draft, just like i would take Hunt over Patterson in this draft. Just doing a this year last year comparison thing.

I personally would ant to look a bit later at a guys like Jordan Mathews- WR- Vanderbilt- 6-3, 205, JR ----Or---- Aaron Mellette-Elon-WR- 6-4, 218, rSR, Both are big targets with good hands and good upside with a capable QB. Mathews IMO projects to the third, and Mellette Projects to the 4th/5th.

Not saying that we dont need a WR, because we do, but we have neglected Depth on the defense in recent drafts by going heavy offense in early rounds, and i would like to see us balance it out this year.

I mean the only arguable point in that investing a pick on WR while we dont have the verdict on Jenkins. I mean I would like Hunt in 2nd or Sylvester williams but all the prospect at DE seems so risky at our pick. I would much rather juat continue reinforc our wr corp. controllong the game woth your offense makes life easier on your d. You kewl them off the field and you can allow the secondary to play deeper gurading the deep ball. I,choose a WR from a perspective of dynamics between offense and defense and the fact we can do more with less if we just do it properly.

Here is a link to my very early Dec 8 Mock if you care to take a look. I chose to fill out the draft ith all of our available picks, but understand we will be swaping here and there. Im sure you will find it is not as one sided early on as you eluded to with your "three dlineman in the first three rounds comment"

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/169313-idahos-early-mockup/

Again i agree we need to adress WR, but feel there are some quality projects in the later rounds and not so much at dline. Again as i mentioned in my first post, i would overall be happy ith a draft like this.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Jan 5, 2013 at 9:45 PM ]
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Thats not what im calling for at all.

I agree that NT is the #1 priority, I have us taking a NT in the first in my early mock as well, especialy since Soap isaint under contract next season. But we cannot forget that Justin Smith is a free agent in 2014. WHile i feel Smith will want to stay with the 49ers and probably accept a reasonable price, its no guarantee. RJF and williams are not the answer IMO long term on the dline.

I personally think NT, S, and DE are the top three prioritys in this draft, and in that order. But guys like Hunt will not be around in later rounds, thats why i feel it will be important to address NT and DE in the 1st and 2nd. S could be had in the third. I personally have 1.NT, 2. DE, 3a. TE, 3b. WR, 4. S (although i think my S will jump into the third and i would take him there as well)

Im sorry if you disagree and feel i as being arguementive. I wasnt. I was mostly having a side conversasion with the other poster i was discussing with. Like i said i would be happy with the draft, but would change a few things, and you posted it here for all of us to comment on.

WR simply isaint a huge need early this year IMO.

Oh Im sorry if I was a little to defensive. I reallt didnt think you were argumentative and I wanted the critcism. You could very well be right about the WR not being a top priority and I wouldnt mind someone like cobi hamilton the third rd and margus hunt in the 2nd. I just dont see the d line as an immediate issue whereas right now we literally have 2 active WRs. Randy moss is on his last leg and who knows if manningham will ever readh his true potebtial after this injury. You might be right tho and a 1st and 2nd pick on the dline might be a smart idea for the future but im thinling about next seasons production.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Thats not what im calling for at all.

I agree that NT is the #1 priority, I have us taking a NT in the first in my early mock as well, especialy since Soap isaint under contract next season. But we cannot forget that Justin Smith is a free agent in 2014. WHile i feel Smith will want to stay with the 49ers and probably accept a reasonable price, its no guarantee. RJF and williams are not the answer IMO long term on the dline.

I personally think NT, S, and DE are the top three prioritys in this draft, and in that order. But guys like Hunt will not be around in later rounds, thats why i feel it will be important to address NT and DE in the 1st and 2nd. S could be had in the third. I personally have 1.NT, 2. DE, 3a. TE, 3b. WR, 4. S (although i think my S will jump into the third and i would take him there as well)

Im sorry if you disagree and feel i as being arguementive. I wasnt. I was mostly having a side conversasion with the other poster i was discussing with. Like i said i would be happy with the draft, but would change a few things, and you posted it here for all of us to comment on.

WR simply isaint a huge need early this year IMO.

Oh Im sorry if I was a little to defensive. I reallt didnt think you were argumentative and I wanted the critcism. You could very well be right about the WR not being a top priority and I wouldnt mind someone like cobi hamilton the third rd and margus hunt in the 2nd. I just dont see the d line as an immediate issue whereas right now we literally have 2 active WRs. Randy moss is on his last leg and who knows if manningham will ever readh his true potebtial after this injury. You might be right tho and a 1st and 2nd pick on the dline might be a smart idea for the future but im thinling about next seasons production.

You are right, alot hinges on Manningham and KW recovering. I had high hopes for manningham, and so glimpses, but he as just banged up all season. KW also was starting to look promising in the slot with Kaep at QB. I do agree we need a large big bodied RZ target to round out the WR core, but i feel that RZ production would also be improved with a second true TE that complements VD's skillset. I really like Sims in that regard.

If KW doesnt come back healthy and look productive in the slot we could also target a guy like Amendola in free agency, although he is bandged up alot as well.

But yes on offense TE, WR would be the two largest needs assumeing the staff is confident in what we have as depth on the oline.
Originally posted by eonblue:
1. Jesse Williams-Alabama-NT
2. Cordarelle patterson-Tennessee-WR
3a. Bilbi Wren Wilson-Conn-CB
3b. Shawn Williams-Georgia-SS
3c. Joseph Fauria-UCLA-TE
4. Kiko Alonso-Oregon-ILB
5.Meshak Williams-K state-OLB
5.Dennis Johnson-Arkansas-RB
6.Kapron Lewis-Notre Dame-DT
hat's it. May the criticism begin!

Works for me in that you cover most of the positions of need. The order and priority can always be debated in a mock draft. What about our 7th round picks?
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
We have two first round WR's on the roster, as well as Manningham and KW. Jenkins may not pan out but I would rather take a WR later and take our chances. We have much more pressing needs than WR.

And a 6th round project is not what i consider addressing the Dline. IMO addressing the depth on the Dline and in the secondary are the two top prioritys in this draft. I would much rather have a Wolfe/Hunt than a Hill/Patterson.

There's no major talent at WR at the top of the draft and plenty of comparable talent in the middle rounds. Rather than dropping a pick on a super raw project in Patterson, I'll take the fully developed, bust-his-ass slot receiver in Ryan Swope or the physical, aggressive and explosive guy with #1 potential in Quinton Patton in Round 3.