There are 105 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

WRs in the 2013 draft

  • dj43
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 20,131
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by dj43:
Manningham is a decent #3 for a good passing team. However, with the seriousness of his injury, and occurring as late in the season as it has, the 49ers cannot afford to not draft a WR early on. Even if Jenkins does well next season, this team needs a BIG receiver to compete with the monster CBs in Seattle. (If you can't win your division, you are in trouble. Baalke needs to give some focus as to what it will take to beat Seattle at their place.

Why do people think you automatically need big wide receivers to go against big cornerbacks? I've seen this assumption made repeatedly and it yet has to make any sense. Wes Welker is hardly a "big" receiver yet he's one of the WR's who gave Seattle the most trouble this year. Generally speaking, a bigger defensive back won't be as fluid as smaller one, they don't turn their hips as well, you don't beat them by out-sizing them, you beat them through extreme quickness, guys who they will struggle to keep up with. One of the ways opposing teams will counter bigger WR's is with bigger cornerback's, when you have the opposite situation, you look for quickness, route-running skill and general ability to separate.

Browner I can tell you, in particular, is a cornerback that is vulnerable to shifty, faster wide receivers. You're better off taking him on with a 5'10" slot receiver that can explode off the line and quickly shift direction than a big tall wide receiver. Calvin Johnson killed it this year but struggled mightily against Seattle and ended up with 40 yards receiving for the game, even though Detroit won.

I will take Wes Welker to go against them. No problem...except he is not on our side.

Seattle has been very successful with their big guys just manhandling smaller receivers. Several coaches have allegedly complained to the league about illegal contact but the league has done nothing. Until that changes, the Seahawks will have an advantage in many cases.

We need some size at WR anyway. The 49er receivers are not very big in the overall comparison. Moss has good size but he will likely be gone next year. That will leave Crabtree as the "big" guy, and he isn't that big. Williams, Jenkins, Manningham are not big guys. We need a guy in the 6'4" range.
Originally posted by dj43:
I will take Wes Welker to go against them. No problem...except he is not on our side.

Seattle has been very successful with their big guys just manhandling smaller receivers. Several coaches have allegedly complained to the league about illegal contact but the league has done nothing. Until that changes, the Seahawks will have an advantage in many cases.

Then you need guys that can get gain separation, period, who get get away from those cornerbacks and having them running after them all over the field.


Calvin Johnson is about as big as it gets, and guess what, his extra size didn't really help him much, they simply locked him up and played him just as physical as anyone else, if you've got cornerbacks that are 6'4" and 6'3", you're simply not going to beat them by outsizing them, you're going to beat them through creative playcalling and quick receivers that can get a break on them, beat them off the line and use their quickness to leave them grasping at the wind.


Quick slot receivers like Welker will give them problems, even Amendola had some nice catches against them. That is one reason I'd love to see the 49ers pick up either Quinton Patton or Ryan Swope in this draft, either of those guys is capable of creating separation, using their quickness to break free and both are excellent route runners that aren't scared of getting hit over the middle.


" We need some size at WR anyway. The 49er receivers are not very big in the overall comparison. Moss has good size but he will likely be gone next year. That will leave Crabtree as the "big" guy, and he isn't that big. Williams, Jenkins, Manningham are not big guys. We need a guy in the 6'4" range."



Why? Because bigger is always better or what? The Giants don't have huge receivers and they've done pretty well, neither does New England. Washington doesn't have any "huge" receivers either. I'll take good hands, route-running skill and quickness as factors for a successful WR over height any day of the week.

Height has nothing to do with wide receiver performance. People get obsessed over height because some top WR's like Megatron and AJ Green happen to be big, both those guys are simply freaks of nature who end up getting drafted in the Top 5 because people see their natural talent and athleticism from a mile away....those guys are very far and few between.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 31, 2012 at 9:36 PM ]
One thing also. Is we have a ton of picks this coming draft. We all saw how easy it was to move up and down in the first round. We still might get something also for Alex also...
Originally posted by awol36:
One thing also. Is we have a ton of picks this coming draft. We all saw how easy it was to move up and down in the first round. We still might get something also for Alex also...

There's really not a lot of talent at the top at WR in this draft, but there is plenty of talent that will be available from Rounds 2-4, lots of good players, 49ers could conceivably even draft two guys if Moss opts not to come back. Besides Swope and Patton, Marcus Davis of Virginia Tech is another receiver I like, and one with pretty good size as well. As some others have mentioned, Stedman Bailey is a very good prospect, I actually would far prefer him over Tavon Austin who I feel is grossly over-hyped.
I really like tavon austin but if terrence Williams is still around i would prefer him. If either are around at the end of the first i would be willing to bet they're the best talent left. Not downgrade anyone but i wonder if drafting the BPA is the best option.
I have to start studying after the playoffs.
DeAnthony Thomas
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Why do people think you automatically need big wide receivers to go against big cornerbacks? I've seen this assumption made repeatedly and it yet has to make any sense. Wes Welker is hardly a "big" receiver yet he's one of the WR's who gave Seattle the most trouble this year. Generally speaking, a bigger defensive back won't be as fluid as smaller one, they don't turn their hips as well, you don't beat them by out-sizing them, you beat them through extreme quickness, guys who they will struggle to keep up with. One of the ways opposing teams will counter bigger WR's is with bigger cornerback's, when you have the opposite situation, you look for quickness, route-running skill and general ability to separate.

Browner I can tell you, in particular, is a cornerback that is vulnerable to shifty, faster wide receivers. You're better off taking him on with a 5'10" slot receiver that can explode off the line and quickly shift direction than a big tall wide receiver. Calvin Johnson killed it this year but struggled mightily against Seattle and ended up with 40 yards receiving for the game, even though Detroit won.

Exactly. Those two can't grab and hold what they can't catch.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There's really not a lot of talent at the top at WR in this draft, but there is plenty of talent that will be available from Rounds 2-4, lots of good players, 49ers could conceivably even draft two guys if Moss opts not to come back. Besides Swope and Patton, Marcus Davis of Virginia Tech is another receiver I like, and one with pretty good size as well. As some others have mentioned, Stedman Bailey is a very good prospect, I actually would far prefer him over Tavon Austin who I feel is grossly over-hyped.

I like Austin as a Percy Harvin-type weapon. He's not exactly a prototype WR, but he can contribute in the slot and would immediately upgrade our punt return situation.
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
Exactly. Those two can't grab and hold what they can't catch.

This. Its like the Rocky "catch the chicken" drill, whereas a bigger receiver gives them a bigger target to grab on to, push, shove....etc. With a smaller receiver you have a lot less room for error and if you whiff, that is all she wrote. I've got nothing against bigger WR's but I think with the way offenses are currently run, I wouldn't choose a WR simply because of his size. What this team really needs is a lot of quickness on offense, guys who can explode off the line, with good agility who can ditch the coverage and reliably make catches down the field, and make plays after the catch.
  • sfout
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 6,023
Originally posted by adamcarrillo17:
DeAnthony Thomas

That can't happen until next year....
I'm really shocked. Tre pages and nobody talks about Cordarelle Patterson.

He is hand down the most gifted WR in the entire draft and knowing Balkee preference for raw talent, he could be one of our target
[ Edited by Decima_Mas on Jan 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM ]
Originally posted by Decima_Mas:
I'm really shocked. Tre pages and nobody talks about Cordarelle Patterson.

He is hand down the most gifted WR in the entire draft and knowing Balkee preference for raw talent, he could be one of our target

Poor route runner, lazy blocker, shows huge lapses in concentration at times. He's got explosive athleticism, good vision and strong hands that everyone falls in love with, but he's still got a lot of work to do and is very raw. Ideally he'd be a guy who would benefit tremendously from going back to school and becoming a more complete WR. If things go well he could be a very early 1st round pick next year.

If the 49ers hadn't dropped a first rounder on Jenkins last year, Patterson would be an ideal guy to select and then simply let him sit and develop for a whole season.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Poor route runner, lazy blocker, shows huge lapses in concentration at times. He's got explosive athleticism, good vision and strong hands that everyone falls in love with, but he's still got a lot of work to do and is very raw. Ideally he'd be a guy who would benefit tremendously from going back to school and becoming a more complete WR. If things go well he could be a very early 1st round pick next year.

If the 49ers hadn't dropped a first rounder on Jenkins last year, Patterson would be an ideal guy to select and then simply let him sit and develop for a whole season.


Could he be our target in the second round? Could he be last that long?
  • dj43
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 20,131
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by dj43:
I will take Wes Welker to go against them. No problem...except he is not on our side.

Seattle has been very successful with their big guys just manhandling smaller receivers. Several coaches have allegedly complained to the league about illegal contact but the league has done nothing. Until that changes, the Seahawks will have an advantage in many cases.

Then you need guys that can get gain separation, period, who get get away from those cornerbacks and having them running after them all over the field.


Calvin Johnson is about as big as it gets, and guess what, his extra size didn't really help him much, they simply locked him up and played him just as physical as anyone else, if you've got cornerbacks that are 6'4" and 6'3", you're simply not going to beat them by outsizing them, you're going to beat them through creative playcalling and quick receivers that can get a break on them, beat them off the line and use their quickness to leave them grasping at the wind.


Quick slot receivers like Welker will give them problems, even Amendola had some nice catches against them. That is one reason I'd love to see the 49ers pick up either Quinton Patton or Ryan Swope in this draft, either of those guys is capable of creating separation, using their quickness to break free and both are excellent route runners that aren't scared of getting hit over the middle.


" We need some size at WR anyway. The 49er receivers are not very big in the overall comparison. Moss has good size but he will likely be gone next year. That will leave Crabtree as the "big" guy, and he isn't that big. Williams, Jenkins, Manningham are not big guys. We need a guy in the 6'4" range."



Why? Because bigger is always better or what? The Giants don't have huge receivers and they've done pretty well, neither does New England. Washington doesn't have any "huge" receivers either. I'll take good hands, route-running skill and quickness as factors for a successful WR over height any day of the week.

Height has nothing to do with wide receiver performance. People get obsessed over height because some top WR's like Megatron and AJ Green happen to be big, both those guys are simply freaks of nature who end up getting drafted in the Top 5 because people see their natural talent and athleticism from a mile away....those guys are very far and few between.

You are getting carried away with the idea of separation only. There ARE many very good big receivers in this league that combine both speed/agility and quickness. Vincent Jackson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Megatron, Brandon Marshall are just a few of the more prominent ones. Combine someone of that stature with Crabtree and Jenkins (assuming he proves his draft position and speed) and you have a divers corp of guys that will be hard for any team to defend.
Search Podcast Draft Forum Commentary News Shop Home