MadDog's Big 253 Board- April 18th Edition

I find it very, very interesting that you have Massie in the 1st -- I strongly, strongly considered moving him in, but after much debating with myself figured I'd wait a little while before making the final call. I was really curious as to where you'd place him, and of your thoughts on the matter.

This is my take: Measurables-wise and looking at their most recent track record, Massie by almost all accounts looks like the superior prospect to Adams, and to some teams, probably over Martin too. He's not as highly-touted by the media, but they don't know jack half the time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I find it very, very interesting that you have Massie in the 1st -- I strongly, strongly considered moving him in, but after much debating with myself figured I'd wait a little while before making the final call. I was really curious as to where you'd place him, and of your thoughts on the matter.

This is my take: Measurables-wise and looking at their most recent track record, Massie by almost all accounts looks like the superior prospect to Adams, and to some teams, probably over Martin too. He's not as highly-touted by the media, but they don't know jack half the time.

I smell Pittsburgh all over him. Bigger upside than Martin and the overrated Adams. I also project a surprise Fleener going to Denver.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I find it very, very interesting that you have Massie in the 1st -- I strongly, strongly considered moving him in, but after much debating with myself figured I'd wait a little while before making the final call. I was really curious as to where you'd place him, and of your thoughts on the matter.

This is my take: Measurables-wise and looking at their most recent track record, Massie by almost all accounts looks like the superior prospect to Adams, and to some teams, probably over Martin too. He's not as highly-touted by the media, but they don't know jack half the time.

I smell Pittsburgh all over him. Bigger upside than Martin and the overrated Adams. I also project a surprise Fleener going to Denver.

Massey should get drafted before Adams, but don't think it will happen because he's viewed as a RT only. Guy would definitely help the Steelers. Their o-line is a sieve right now. Fleener to Denver even after they picked up Tamme and Dreesen? That would give them 6 TE's on their roster.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Massey should get drafted before Adams, but don't think it will happen because he's viewed as a RT only. Guy would definitely help the Steelers. Their o-line is a sieve right now. Fleener to Denver even after they picked up Tamme and Dreesen? That would give them 6 TE's on their roster.

Dreadful explanation. Should have stated into Denver's slot. Sorry. I see the Broncos trading down out of 25 because they will lose out on the top tier DT prospects (Cox, Poe, Brockers) and see Peter Konz off the board. Moving down to the second round makes a lot of sense to me, where they can pick up a Jerel Worthy or Devon Still for the proper value and accumulate even more picks (the team is loaded already).

Teams that might be very interested in Fleener are the Texans at 26, Niners at 30 and Giants at 32, so to ensure that selection a team would have to leapfrog.

Might as well list the other trades: Jags trade out of number seven to either the Hawks, Cards, or Eagles (who seem to like Cox); Jets to number 11 to select Ingram;

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Massey should get drafted before Adams, but don't think it will happen because he's viewed as a RT only. Guy would definitely help the Steelers. Their o-line is a sieve right now. Fleener to Denver even after they picked up Tamme and Dreesen? That would give them 6 TE's on their roster.

Dreadful explanation. Should have stated into Denver's slot. Sorry. I see the Broncos trading down out of 25 because they will lose out on the top tier DT prospects (Cox, Poe, Brockers) and see Peter Konz off the board. Moving down to the second round makes a lot of sense to me, where they can pick up a Jerel Worthy or Devon Still for the proper value and accumulate even more picks (the team is loaded already).

Teams that might be very interested in Fleener are the Texans at 26, Niners at 30 and Giants at 32, so to ensure that selection a team would have to leapfrog.

Might as well list the other trades: Jags trade out of number seven to either the Hawks, Cards, or Eagles (who seem to like Cox); Jets to number 11 to select Ingram;

That clears things up for me on Fleener.

Jags trading down makes sense for them. Would Floyd be the target for the Hawks at that point? Jets definitely need the pass rusher in Ingram.

MadDog, thanks for having the courage to draft Janoris Jenkins in the first. Definitely not a "Gold Helmet" player, but what a talent! If Harbaugh and the locker room can handle him, its a great selection!

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
That clears things up for me on Fleener.

Jags trading down makes sense for them. Would Floyd be the target for the Hawks at that point? Jets definitely need the pass rusher in Ingram.

Don't think Floyd would be there, and to me, Kuechly fills a much bigger need. Plenty of WRs later on in draft, but only one stud MLB.

Originally posted by mebemused:
MadDog, thanks for having the courage to draft Janoris Jenkins in the first. Definitely not a "Gold Helmet" player, but what a talent! If Harbaugh and the locker room can handle him, its a great selection!

Talent is off the chart, and we've seen that the team has picked up some shady characters this offseason in an attempt to upgrade the roster. Jenkins is flat out great, but needs serious babysitting.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by mebemused:
MadDog, thanks for having the courage to draft Janoris Jenkins in the first. Definitely not a "Gold Helmet" player, but what a talent! If Harbaugh and the locker room can handle him, its a great selection!

Talent is off the chart, and we've seen that the team has picked up some shady characters this offseason in an attempt to upgrade the roster. Jenkins is flat out great, but needs serious babysitting.

But their shady characters all come on one year deals with little to no guaranty money. If I remember correctly all draft picks und Baalke have had pretty solid characters.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by mebemused:
MadDog, thanks for having the courage to draft Janoris Jenkins in the first. Definitely not a "Gold Helmet" player, but what a talent! If Harbaugh and the locker room can handle him, its a great selection!

Talent is off the chart, and we've seen that the team has picked up some shady characters this offseason in an attempt to upgrade the roster. Jenkins is flat out great, but needs serious babysitting.

Does he? It's mostly pot, right? Once he gets to the bay area, he'll be fi....oh wait. Maybe we should be careful. Realistically, I love Jenkins and he's hands down my #1 draft want. But how do you see the Bengals passing up on him twice?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by mebemused:
MadDog, thanks for having the courage to draft Janoris Jenkins in the first. Definitely not a "Gold Helmet" player, but what a talent! If Harbaugh and the locker room can handle him, its a great selection!

Talent is off the chart, and we've seen that the team has picked up some shady characters this offseason in an attempt to upgrade the roster. Jenkins is flat out great, but needs serious babysitting.

did rw mcquarters ever recover from his muliple gun shot wounds? somehow talk of jenkins brought rw to mind

If Jenkins keeps his head on straight, he would be a heck of a good pick. There are not 29 players in this draft better than him IMO.

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Does he? It's mostly pot, right? Once he gets to the bay area, he'll be fi....oh wait. Maybe we should be careful. Realistically, I love Jenkins and he's hands down my #1 draft want. But how do you see the Bengals passing up on him twice?

The Bengals need a lot of help, and corner is one area of need. I just think the risk at 17 and 21 might be a bit too much for them to swallow. Most analysts see him as a second rounder at this point due to character concerns, but it only takes one team to pull the lever.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

If Jenkins keeps his head on straight, he would be a heck of a good pick. There are not 29 players in this draft better than him IMO.

Agreed. He is the second corner on my board. Best technique of any corner in the draft