Which mock gives the 49ers the most total value?

Trade down and get another 2nd and 3rd pick.
2. OG K. Zeitler
2. DE J. Crick
3. TE O.Charles
3. WR M. Jones

why do we need reyes

i am not a fan of using a 1st round pick on a player who wont see the field for years

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
why do we need reyes

i am not a fan of using a 1st round pick on a player who wont see the field for years

Because Justin Smith and Ray McDonald played over 85% of our defensive snaps last year. We are one hamstring or ACL tear away from losing 1/3 of a very talented defensive line. Most of our backups were un-drafted FAs, or were taken on the last day, Ricky Jean Francios

Most teams rotate in players to keep their defenses fresh. Reyes would get playing time in the rotation in year one, and could potentially extend the career of Justin Smith..

And all indications are that he will be a good one.

Originally posted by mebemused:

Because Justin Smith and Ray McDonald played over 85% of our defensive snaps last year. We are one hamstring or ACL tear away from losing 1/3 of a very talented defensive line. Most of our backups were un-drafted FAs, or were taken on the last day, Ricky Jean Francios

Most teams rotate in players to keep their defenses fresh. Reyes would get playing time in the rotation in year one, and could potentially extend the career of Justin Smith..

And all indications are that he will be a good one.

We already have toakafu Dobbs and rid for rotation but thaat injury thing could be said about anything if we lose manningham or crabs we again have a crappy we core
If we lose Vernon our te becomes s**ty

Is rather take a guy in the first who were going to use on a regular basis and take our rotational guys later

Than you will always be drafting for need in the first, not BPA.

Is Reyes the BPA at #30? Maybe. Maybe not. Some would argue it could be Doug Martin, Coby Fleener, Kevin Zeitler, Stephen Hill etc. It may become a moot point...other teams will covet his talents, for example, NE, among others. So, would Baalke be willing to trade up to get Reyes? Remains to be seen...of those 5 guys, it'd seem like Zeitler would have the best chance to start this year, although Fleener would get a lot of PT, no doubt. All would see the field...so, I guess it comes down to what Baalke/Harbaugh expect from their #1 pick.

I don't understand all this linemen hype. Quality linemen can be found in all rounds why waste a 1st rd pick. Wev used 1st rd picks on O linemen enough te past years an seen what that does for a team, our line didn't start playin good until after this season started, years after those players were drafted. U guys wanna waste another 1st rd to give the line even more years to start workin? No we can draft depth in any round cuz that's what we need is depth, we don't need a starter we had 3 guys behind Snyder as backups last year that r all back. The team overall needs offensive playmakers most out of every position so unless they plan on using most of our picks for that their probly gonna look for the best offensive playmaker available at our pick.

Originally posted by stefano89:
I don't understand all this linemen hype. Quality linemen can be found in all rounds why waste a 1st rd pick. Wev used 1st rd picks on O linemen enough te past years an seen what that does for a team, our line didn't start playin good until after this season started, years after those players were drafted. U guys wanna waste another 1st rd to give the line even more years to start workin? No we can draft depth in any round cuz that's what we need is depth, we don't need a starter we had 3 guys behind Snyder as backups last year that r all back. The team overall needs offensive playmakers most out of every position so unless they plan on using most of our picks for that their probly gonna look for the best offensive playmaker available at our pick.

I agree one million percent. Coach Walsh always said take the skill guys high in the draft. The ONLY skilll guy on OL is the LT, the rest can be had later in the draft. Look at the past super bowl champions, NONE of them have as many high round draft picks on the OL. Remember about 20 years ago, the Saints had all high draft picks on the OL, yet they stunk it up. Skill positions make teams better. I have a friend who is a Minnesota fan, he said Steve Hutchinson was a FA bust until Adrian Peterson came in.

Red zone targets WR/TE
Pass rush
Safety
That is what will push this team over the top.

History proves that drafting a Dline late in the first does not give us good results. Remember Reggie McGrew and Blamer.

Originally posted by susweel:
History proves that drafting a Dline late in the first does not give us good results. Remember Reggie McGrew and Blamer.

Won't be the pressure to start right away, and they'll be training under the best.

Though I'd rather have Crick than Reyes, I'd be happy with either.

Originally posted by 9erred:
I agree one million percent. Coach Walsh always said take the skill guys high in the draft. The ONLY skilll guy on OL is the LT, the rest can be had later in the draft. Look at the past super bowl champions, NONE of them have as many high round draft picks on the OL. Remember about 20 years ago, the Saints had all high draft picks on the OL, yet they stunk it up. Skill positions make teams better. I have a friend who is a Minnesota fan, he said Steve Hutchinson was a FA bust until Adrian Peterson came in.

Red zone targets WR/TE
Pass rush
Safety
That is what will push this team over the top.

Walsh could do that because he had Bob McKitrick as an O-line coach, and the rules in the 80s allowed linemen to chop block below the knees. So the ideal lineman for McKitrick was smaller and agile, which could always be had in the later rounds of the draft. With the change in the rules, those days are gone. McKitrick was quite a coach!

Having said that, I agree with you that starting guards can be found in later rounds.

Trumaine Johnson is going to have to transition to safety, so I don't see very good second round value. The footwork simply is not there.

In my latest draft projections, I have Niners selecting David Wilson, Brandon Brooks, and Rishard Matthews.

Zeitler is a reach at 30