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I've got Randle over Hill...Am I crazy?

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Taylor Mays was missing the most basic abilities for a safety; the ability to read (mentally) and react instantly (flipping the hips) to make a play. Hill has all of the physical gifts you can ask for in a WR, but he's raw and needs to eliminate dropping the easy/open pass (concentration).

Big and fast doesn't=Taylor Mays. There are skills, competencies and nuances that each position requires and some players (though immensely athletic) just don't have them. Mays should've made the transition to OLB at USC; he's much better suited to play that position than he is safety. THAT is the problem with Taylor Mays.

This...but I am not sure he really has a concentration problem....
[ Edited by Jakemall on Apr 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM ]
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Taylor Mays was missing the most basic abilities for a safety; the ability to read (mentally) and react instantly (flipping the hips) to make a play. Hill has all of the physical gifts you can ask for in a WR, but he's raw and needs to eliminate dropping the easy/open pass (concentration).

Big and fast doesn't=Taylor Mays. There are skills, competencies and nuances that each position requires and some players (though immensely athletic) just don't have them. Mays should've made the transition to OLB at USC; he's much better suited to play that position than he is safety. THAT is the problem with Taylor Mays.

This...but I am not sure he really has a concentration problem....

Well, whatever caused him to drop several catchable balls last year, he needs to address.
Does anyone know if Randle got an invite to the draft? S. Hill did and accepted it.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Does anyone know if Randle got an invite to the draft? S. Hill did and accepted it.

Yes Randle got invited.

It's in this article http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/georgia-tech-wr-hill-due-to-visit-49ers.html
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Does anyone know if Randle got an invite to the draft? S. Hill did and accepted it.

Yes Randle got invited.

It's in this article http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/georgia-tech-wr-hill-due-to-visit-49ers.html

dont see how he goes on day 1

he is early round 2 pick most likely i dont think he will risk siiting in green room for whole first day
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Does anyone know if Randle got an invite to the draft? S. Hill did and accepted it.

Yes Randle got invited.

It's in this article http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/04/georgia-tech-wr-hill-due-to-visit-49ers.html
Thanks. I can't see why 26 players will attend. You know 2 or 3 are not going to get selected in round 1.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by walker807:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Taylor Mays was missing the most basic abilities for a safety; the ability to read (mentally) and react instantly (flipping the hips) to make a play. Hill has all of the physical gifts you can ask for in a WR, but he's raw and needs to eliminate dropping the easy/open pass (concentration).

Big and fast doesn't=Taylor Mays. There are skills, competencies and nuances that each position requires and some players (though immensely athletic) just don't have them. Mays should've made the transition to OLB at USC; he's much better suited to play that position than he is safety. THAT is the problem with Taylor Mays.

I fell like we would be saying a lot of the same stuff about Hill after a season in the league. It just seems like Hill's entire draft potential is based solely on how well he performed on turf with no pads on. Hill doesn't blow me away on tape like a first round pick should, third round sure. I see a lot more of Randle beating double coverage and going across the middle against tougher SEC defenses. Randle also appears to have better acceleration out of his cuts. Hill just seems like a one trick pony who is most likely to be overdrafted in the first round and be traded for a 7th round pick within 2 years. I don't watch GT and am basing this solely on video I find on the internet so take it for what you will.

I happen to like both Hill and Randle so I won't argue that point. I just think the Hill detractors in this forum are looking at him from a glass-half-empty perspective. In other words, they're focusing on the negatives and not on the fairly substantial positives (he led the nation in YPC in a non-passing offense, has GREAT size and speed for a WR, has shown a great work ethic and excellent character, shows natural hands and amazing leaping ability, etc.).

Again, I wouldn't complain if we picked Randle or even Jeffrey over Hill because I think they're all excellent prospects. But I think of what a coach like Harbaugh could do with a WR specimen like Hill (who is bigger, faster and jumps higher than the other three) and it boggles the mind. So it's a matter of taste...do you go with more proven/productive guys like Randle or Jeffrey, or do you roll the dice on the athletic freak? Most would take Randle or Jeffrey...me personally, if all three were available, I'd take a chance on Hill. But it's just my opinion.

The problem I have is I don't know how much Hill was limited simply by the offense he was in. Maybe the dude can go across the middle and use his size or be a redzone threat but that doesn't show on his GT gamedays. I see the huge potential everyone else sees in Hill but I just feel like using a first on a guy who essentially ran the 9 all game is silly unless they dominated like Moss did in college.
Originally posted by walker807:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by walker807:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Taylor Mays was missing the most basic abilities for a safety; the ability to read (mentally) and react instantly (flipping the hips) to make a play. Hill has all of the physical gifts you can ask for in a WR, but he's raw and needs to eliminate dropping the easy/open pass (concentration).

Big and fast doesn't=Taylor Mays. There are skills, competencies and nuances that each position requires and some players (though immensely athletic) just don't have them. Mays should've made the transition to OLB at USC; he's much better suited to play that position than he is safety. THAT is the problem with Taylor Mays.

I fell like we would be saying a lot of the same stuff about Hill after a season in the league. It just seems like Hill's entire draft potential is based solely on how well he performed on turf with no pads on. Hill doesn't blow me away on tape like a first round pick should, third round sure. I see a lot more of Randle beating double coverage and going across the middle against tougher SEC defenses. Randle also appears to have better acceleration out of his cuts. Hill just seems like a one trick pony who is most likely to be overdrafted in the first round and be traded for a 7th round pick within 2 years. I don't watch GT and am basing this solely on video I find on the internet so take it for what you will.

I happen to like both Hill and Randle so I won't argue that point. I just think the Hill detractors in this forum are looking at him from a glass-half-empty perspective. In other words, they're focusing on the negatives and not on the fairly substantial positives (he led the nation in YPC in a non-passing offense, has GREAT size and speed for a WR, has shown a great work ethic and excellent character, shows natural hands and amazing leaping ability, etc.).

Again, I wouldn't complain if we picked Randle or even Jeffrey over Hill because I think they're all excellent prospects. But I think of what a coach like Harbaugh could do with a WR specimen like Hill (who is bigger, faster and jumps higher than the other three) and it boggles the mind. So it's a matter of taste...do you go with more proven/productive guys like Randle or Jeffrey, or do you roll the dice on the athletic freak? Most would take Randle or Jeffrey...me personally, if all three were available, I'd take a chance on Hill. But it's just my opinion.

The problem I have is I don't know how much Hill was limited simply by the offense he was in. Maybe the dude can go across the middle and use his size or be a redzone threat but that doesn't show on his GT gamedays. I see the huge potential everyone else sees in Hill but I just feel like using a first on a guy who essentially ran the 9 all game is silly unless they dominated like Moss did in college.

Rest assured, the teams that are interested in Hill have asked and answered this question by now.
To be honest, the problem with our offense isn't that we don't have a deep threat... it's that we don't have a guy who can be counted on in third down situations.

Vernon Davis IS our deep threat, and with Moss, Manningham, and Ginn on the roster... that's enough of a vertical threat. I don't feel confident in anyone, however, when it's third down, one-on-one coverage with the cornerback, and we need a six-yard completion.

I put Randle and Wright over Hill.
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Originally posted by Wubbie:
To be honest, the problem with our offense isn't that we don't have a deep threat... it's that we don't have a guy who can be counted on in third down situations.

Vernon Davis IS our deep threat, and with Moss, Manningham, and Ginn on the roster... that's enough of a vertical threat. I don't feel confident in anyone, however, when it's third down, one-on-one coverage with the cornerback, and we need a six-yard completion.

I put Randle and Wright over Hill.

You make a good point, but Manningham was a beast on 3rd down in NY so there you go.