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I've got Randle over Hill...Am I crazy?

Randle is the safer pick. I think Hill's value is extremely inflated due to that one spectacular catch and because of his 40 time. I think he'll struggle in the pros.
Quick is the guy I think is undervalued. He looks like 2nd round pick to me.
Originally posted by Ice49er:
If you break down what all goes into a great WR I think Hill has Randle beat just barely. Also Hill and Randle were born two weeks apart.
Separation Skills- Hill
Hands- Randle
Route Running- Randle
After the catch- Randle
Deep Threat- Hill
Red Zone- Hill
Blocking- Hill

I see Randle as a 80-90rec 1100-1200yd 5-7 TD type of WR and Hill as a 60-70rec 900-1000yd 9-13 TD type of WR.

I value route running over deep threat, and just because Hill has a better vertical does not make him a better red zone threat. Randle fights for every single yard.
Originally posted by strickac:
Randle is the safer pick. I think Hill's value is extremely inflated due to that one spectacular catch and because of his 40 time. I think he'll struggle in the pros.

DHB without the ability to run routes
Originally posted by nickbradley:
DHB without the ability to run routes

hes taller stronger and i would say he has better hands than DHB
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
hes taller stronger and i would say he has better hands than DHB

Someone on Ninersnation said that Hill has horrible hands, only made two catches with his hands all season...ugly.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Someone on Ninersnation said that Hill has horrible hands, only made two catches with his hands all season...ugly.

i wouldnt say horrible more like inconsistant
DHB had horrible hands (as did VD early in his career)
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by kronik:
People on here overrate size?

McCloughan/Baalke draft philosophy doesnt agree with u. With high picks, it's always about size/speed/strength. And personally, I agree with them
thats only in terms of o linemen we have drafted a WR since crabtree and he is smaller sized...

LOL, of course there are exceptions but...straight from Trent's mouth:

Q: On his philosophy vs. McCloughan's: TB: I think Scot and I share a very similar philosophy. I think the big thing is - size is important, intelligence is important, competitiveness is important. The intangibles, what they bring to the locker room. All those things are important and Scot and I both shared those beliefs. And I think it stems not only from the personnel side but the coaching staff believes the same thing. And as an organization, that's what's important, that we're all on the same page. With that said, there are exceptions in this business. There are guys that don't meet the height, weight, speed standards, that come in and can be pretty good football players. And I think you've got to evaluate those guys on a case-by-case basis. And when you make a decision to draft or being in a free agent or any type of player as an exception, everyone just has to be on the same page as to exactly what you're dealing with.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/3/26/1392182/comparison-mccloughan-vs-baalke
[ Edited by kronik on Apr 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM ]
Yes, you are crazy.

I think Hill will be able to run a route tree, he gets in and out of his breaks with exceptional quickness (especially for his size) and sets up his routes very well. Just because he has less experience in a passing offense doesn't mean he can't run routes.

The problem with Randle is he plays slower then he was timed and lacks any quickness nor speed to his game. He is purely a possession WR. And as much as you want to criticize Hill, Randle is every bit as raw and in need of development.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
I value route running over deep threat, and just because Hill has a better vertical does not make him a better red zone threat. Randle fights for every single yard.

Look I get that you like Randle more then Hill but come on.Get real if your taller and jump high and your in the endzone going for a TD it help. being tall and jumping higher help on the fade in the corner of the endzone. it help going along the back like of the endzone. If Randle is so good how was he shut down in the Championship game 3 rec for 13 yard. long of 8. look both of these guy need a lot of work hill is no better but stop with the junk trying to make randle sound like such a superior WR over Hill and Wright he is not. the truth is that Wright is the only one out of the 3 that had a good Bowl game. There are good WR in the NFL that are 5' 10" and there are good WR that are 6'4" i have no idea witch one of these 3 will end up being good.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Someone on Ninersnation said that Hill has horrible hands, only made two catches with his hands all season...ugly.

He does use him body to catch the ball but did you watch the video on the first page i count at lest 3 catches with his hands.
I like both, and would through Alshon Jeffrey in the mix as well. Any of these three guys would be HUGE for us...but if I had to choose, I'd go with Hill because of his upside.
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Someone on Ninersnation said that Hill has horrible hands, only made two catches with his hands all season...ugly.

He does use him body to catch the ball but did you watch the video on the first page i count at lest 3 catches with his hands.

He does have horrible hands its why GT couldnt feature him more and why he disappears from game to game. He has good game speed but if he cant catch consistently hes pretty useless imo. 49ers need someone who can catch everything so Smith will feel comfortable throwing to him. Id pass up Hill entirely and go with Jeffery, Floyd or Fleener.
Originally posted by Ice49er:
If you break down what all goes into a great WR I think Hill has Randle beat just barely. Also Hill and Randle were born two weeks apart.
Separation Skills- Hill
Hands- Randle
Route Running- Randle
After the catch- Randle
Deep Threat- Hill
Red Zone- Hill
Blocking- Hill

I see Randle as a 80-90rec 1100-1200yd 5-7 TD type of WR and Hill as a 60-70rec 900-1000yd 9-13 TD type of WR.

Honest question, what video did you watch that showed Hill showcasing seperation skills? Everything I've found shows CB's stride for stride with him 80-90% of the time, but he uses his size very well to wall off the CB and highpoint the catch... just doesnt seperate. IMO Randle wins that one. And then blocking probably a tie.

Another thing to keep in mind is the time it'll take for them to be brought up to an NFL level.