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Nick Toon - WR - Wisconsin

  • sfout
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Toon registered a 4.39 and 4.43 at his pro-day, an improvement from 4.54 at the combine. A very confusing thing as his supposed lack of speed is one of his biggest negatives. Could this just be a trackstar style run for a "slow" football player?

Not sure where his stock is at right now but anybody still want this guy in the 2nd or 3rd?

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/uw-football-toon-showcases-speed-at-pro-day/article_a7b20242-68ca-11e1-9b46-001871e3ce6c.html
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Would LOVE to get this guy in the 3rd if hes there and depending which way we go in the 1st. This is one of the most complete receivers in this draft, he does everything, but I don't think hes much of a deep threat even with his new 40 times posted.


Hope Tolzien puts in a good word for him.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Would LOVE to get this guy in the 3rd if hes there and depending which way we go in the 1st. This is one of the most complete receivers in this draft, he does everything, but I don't think hes much of a deep threat even with his new 40 times posted.


Hope Tolzien puts in a good word for him.

agreed, I think he would be a near-surefire pick, but thats funny that you say that because that article I linked even says that about him not being a true deep threat.
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Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Would LOVE to get this guy in the 3rd if hes there and depending which way we go in the 1st. This is one of the most complete receivers in this draft, he does everything, but I don't think hes much of a deep threat even with his new 40 times posted.


Hope Tolzien puts in a good word for him.

agreed, I think he would be a near-surefire pick, but thats funny that you say that because that article I linked even says that about him not being a true deep threat.

I'll be honest, I haven't watched Toon all that much (I do remember him kicking the s**t outta Hawaii though ), but when I watched him, he didn't break it deep in those games. Pretty much what I'm going by, my own judgement. Had one of his best games against Oregon, loss money on that one.
I don't care what he ran at his pro day dude doens't play with that type of speed on the field at all. And I watch a ton of big 10 football as a Michigan fan. Samething with McNutt. He had a fast .40 but never played that fast on the field. They are both good prospects though just not burners
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Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't care what he ran at his pro day dude doens't play with that type of speed on the field at all. And I watch a ton of big 10 football as a Michigan fan. Samething with McNutt. He had a fast .40 but never played that fast on the field. They are both good prospects though just not burners

I agree, not burners, but they will get open deep by design. But Toon is a tough receiver that will do everything asked of him, which is what we need here.
Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't care what he ran at his pro day dude doens't play with that type of speed on the field at all. And I watch a ton of big 10 football as a Michigan fan. Samething with McNutt. He had a fast .40 but never played that fast on the field. They are both good prospects though just not burners

Unfortunately this is the case. The guy cannot get seperation from the defense and that's in an offense with heavy play action, I want to think the kid would be a great 3rd round pick, but someone will overdraft him. Shoot, Alex Smith wont throw you the ball unless the guy db is five yards away from him, just ask Crabtree, a much better option would be to resign Morgan and drafta true burner.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't care what he ran at his pro day dude doens't play with that type of speed on the field at all. And I watch a ton of big 10 football as a Michigan fan. Samething with McNutt. He had a fast .40 but never played that fast on the field. They are both good prospects though just not burners

I agree, not burners, but they will get open deep by design. But Toon is a tough receiver that will do everything asked of him, which is what we need here.

100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.

X2. Isn't Childs still a day 3 pick? Would be awesome to get him.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.

X2. Isn't Childs still a day 3 pick? Would be awesome to get him.

His Pro Day made everyone believe "he's back" and fully healthy. He's getting 3rd-4th round talk now.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.

X2. Isn't Childs still a day 3 pick? Would be awesome to get him.

His Pro Day made everyone believe "he's back" and fully healthy. He's getting 3rd-4th round talk now.

Hmm Id be cool with that.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.

X2. Isn't Childs still a day 3 pick? Would be awesome to get him.

His Pro Day made everyone believe "he's back" and fully healthy. He's getting 3rd-4th round talk now.

Hmm Id be cool with that.

I could see us taking him at the end of the 3rd and I'd be okay with it if he's deemed healthy. Looks like a really good fit, but I'd want to add a second receiver that has blinding speed/quickness later in the draft such as Devon Wylie, Kashif Moore, or T.Y. Hilton, who had a very nice Pro Day today.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
100% agree. He does not play as fast as he times. He is not the kind of receiver we need right now. While the "not playing as fast as he times thing" could also apply to Childs and his 4.39/4.40 at his pro day, Childs has shown to be a more dominant receiver when healthy and against stiffer competition. I grade Childs above Toon.

X2. Isn't Childs still a day 3 pick? Would be awesome to get him.

His Pro Day made everyone believe "he's back" and fully healthy. He's getting 3rd-4th round talk now.

Hmm Id be cool with that.

I could see us taking him at the end of the 3rd and I'd be okay with it if he's deemed healthy. Looks like a really good fit, but I'd want to add a second receiver that has blinding speed/quickness later in the draft such as Devon Wylie, Kashif Moore, or T.Y. Hilton, who had a very nice Pro Day today.

Do tell? Got a link? I'd like to see what people think of him, there is little to no hype on him so I'd think it would be a fairly accurate assessment.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't care what he ran at his pro day dude doens't play with that type of speed on the field at all. And I watch a ton of big 10 football as a Michigan fan. Samething with McNutt. He had a fast .40 but never played that fast on the field. They are both good prospects though just not burners

I agree, not burners, but they will get open deep by design. But Toon is a tough receiver that will do everything asked of him, which is what we need here.

Good point, Receivers don't necessarily have to be burners to get open deep; it can also be accomplished by scheme. Maybe Toon and McNutt didn't show that because of the offense's they were in. I know Iowa and Wisconsin have both traditionally been run heavy teams. I know Tolzein and Stanzi didn't have big arms (although I admit I don't know as much about the abilty of Russell Wilson and Iowa's 2011 QB to throw deep), so maybe Toon and McNutt aren't to blame for this
deficiency.

P.S. I do like Toon and McNutt by the way, and I wouldn't mind getting either in round 3 if we don't take a Wr before then. As long as they can get open better than Crabtree, I'm good.
[ Edited by GorefullBore on Mar 9, 2012 at 10:03 PM ]