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this kind of draft would make me pretty happy.

does Wylie project as a PR/KR?
Originally posted by HessianDud:
this kind of draft would make me pretty happy.

does Wylie project as a PR/KR?

Yes, he returned two punts for touchdowns this season. I think the only reason he is graded somewhat lower by some is because of inexperience. This was his first year with major playing time because last year a broken foot ended his season early.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Jan 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM ]
OTC I like your mock, except it looks like we still don't have a difference maker on offense, while McNutt would be a good fit for the system, he isn't really a significant upgrade at a position of need, and Wylie IMO is just another KW.

so I'm assuming we're picking up a WR during FA, but when was the last time we picked up a true #1 WR in FA? ...

so your mock improves our team, but our biggest area for improvement isn't getting much help
Excellent post and draft.

And we still could get some fine selections in FA too! I've been a big McNutt fan for a while so I love that pick.

Also getting Wylie would be awesome.

Thanks
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Originally posted by vrabbit:
OTC I like your mock, except it looks like we still don't have a difference maker on offense, while McNutt would be a good fit for the system, he isn't really a significant upgrade at a position of need, and Wylie IMO is just another KW.

so I'm assuming we're picking up a WR during FA, but when was the last time we picked up a true #1 WR in FA? ...

so your mock improves our team, but our biggest area for improvement isn't getting much help

I think people are going to go into the season doubting some moves, just like last off-season. This is just what I currently project us to do. No one was enamored with Kyle Williams like they were with Wylie at the All-Star game the other week. His inexperience (noted above) made him lesser known to many. Wylie I believe talked to scouts from both San Diego (perhaps looking for a Sproles replacement) and Miami.

Wylie was blowing by people and even on a soaking field was not slipping at all, displaying exceptional balance and getting open with ease. Wylie is more like Welker, Danny Amendola, or even like a slightly taller Sproles, than Williams. Williams is basically another Michael Spurlock.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
OTC I like your mock, except it looks like we still don't have a difference maker on offense, while McNutt would be a good fit for the system, he isn't really a significant upgrade at a position of need, and Wylie IMO is just another KW.

so I'm assuming we're picking up a WR during FA, but when was the last time we picked up a true #1 WR in FA? ...

so your mock improves our team, but our biggest area for improvement isn't getting much help

I think people are going to go into the season doubting some moves, just like last off-season. This is just what I currently project us to do. No one was enamored with Kyle Williams like they were with Wylie at the All-Star game the other week. His inexperience (noted above) made him lesser known to many. Wylie I believe talked to scouts from both San Diego (perhaps looking for a Sproles replacement) and Miami.

Wylie was blowing by people and even on a soaking field was not slipping at all, displaying exceptional balance and getting open with ease. Wylie is more like Welker, Danny Amendola, or even like a slightly taller Sproles, than Williams. Williams is basically another Michael Spurlock.

ok, so what you're trying to sell me is that our 6th round, welker-sproles-amendola-type rookie, is going to make enough of an impact along with McNutt, another rookie, to improve our passing game?

I understand the whole "doubting moves" theory, but I think that it is abundantly clear that this team needs a true, #1, stud WR on the field to help Crabtree and Vernon and we need to obtain him either in FA or in the draft. A significant lift to this offense is pretty much all we need for this team to be an absolute force to be reckoned with in the NFC/NFL.
I like it OTC. I've been working on my first mock of this offseason as well and I also have Rokevious Watkins in there, except I have him in the 4th-5th round range. He really stood out to me while watching South Carolina and Lattimore finding room behind the interior of that o-line.
i like it but im hoping we get bowe bc it doesnt look like we upgraded our receiving corps very much
Love this draft but I have to agree with vrabbitt. Gotta add a true number 1 wr in free agency with this draft.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
this kind of draft would make me pretty happy.

does Wylie project as a PR/KR?

Yes, he returned two punts for touchdowns this season. I think the only reason he is graded somewhat lower by some is because of inexperience. This was his first year with major playing time because last year a broken foot ended his season early.

sweet. i would love this draft. i agree with others though that I would kind of question the FO not going after an experienced #1 receiver, since rookie WR's do take awhile to develop. However, they made so many right moves last year that I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the season really got underway.

but i love how this draft addresses depth at OLB, DL, CB/S and WR, mixing good value and late-round projects. it looks like a Baalke draft.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
ok, so what you're trying to sell me is that our 6th round, welker-sproles-amendola-type rookie, is going to make enough of an impact along with McNutt, another rookie, to improve our passing game?

I understand the whole "doubting moves" theory, but I think that it is abundantly clear that this team needs a true, #1, stud WR on the field to help Crabtree and Vernon and we need to obtain him either in FA or in the draft. A significant lift to this offense is pretty much all we need for this team to be an absolute force to be reckoned with in the NFC/NFL.

Continuity within the system will improve the passing game alone, McNutt and Wylie would just be bonuses who over time would offer more and more into molding us a dynamic attack.

I would love for us to add a #1, but I expect us to take the same or very similar, "patient" approach. We will "attempt" but not force the issue, and probably miss out, with the big-name guys probably being plucked away or re-signing with their respective teams. I do understand there are several FAs we could add that would legitimately give us a starting upgrade, but it's tough to judge who'd make it here:

Reggie Wayne - If the Colts want to have a passing game next season with Manning/Luck, they can't let him walk.
Welker - After a monster season, he's not going anywhere. Gronk and Hernandez rely on Welker opening up intermediate routes.
Vincent Jackson - We seem averse to players with attitudes. Jackson gave no effort at times this season. He's a possibility, but at what price?
Bowe - Will be franchise tagged. Won't be available.
DeSean Jackson - See Vincent Jackson. Jackson did things to hurt the team, and the 49ers appear to desire a big receiver.
Steve Johnson - Expected to re-sign with Bills.
Marques Colston - I think the Saints will let Meachem go and keep Colston, the better receiver.
Brandon Lloyd - Wouldn't come here and isn't really a fit.
Manningham - Borderline #2, not sure he's a fit either.
Jerome Simpson - Here's a guy I would take, but I can't see Cincy doing anything but locking him up as long as possible.
Garcon - Don't think they'd bring him in here.
Burress - Don't think they'd want him in the locker-room.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
i like it but im hoping we get bowe bc it doesnt look like we upgraded our receiving corps very much

Bowe will be getting franchised, unfortunately. KC is desperate on offense and losing Bowe would devastate them.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Love this draft but I have to agree with vrabbitt. Gotta add a true number 1 wr in free agency with this draft.


what he said
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
ok, so what you're trying to sell me is that our 6th round, welker-sproles-amendola-type rookie, is going to make enough of an impact along with McNutt, another rookie, to improve our passing game?

I understand the whole "doubting moves" theory, but I think that it is abundantly clear that this team needs a true, #1, stud WR on the field to help Crabtree and Vernon and we need to obtain him either in FA or in the draft. A significant lift to this offense is pretty much all we need for this team to be an absolute force to be reckoned with in the NFC/NFL.

Continuity within the system will improve the passing game alone, McNutt and Wylie would just be bonuses who over time would offer more and more into molding us a dynamic attack.

I would love for us to add a #1, but I expect us to take the same or very similar, "patient" approach. We will "attempt" but not force the issue, and probably miss out, with the big-name guys probably being plucked away or re-signing with their respective teams. I do understand there are several FAs we could add that would legitimately give us a starting upgrade, but it's tough to judge who'd make it here:

Reggie Wayne - If the Colts want to have a passing game next season with Manning/Luck, they can't let him walk.
Welker - After a monster season, he's not going anywhere. Gronk and Hernandez rely on Welker opening up intermediate routes.
Vincent Jackson - We seem averse to players with attitudes. Jackson gave no effort at times this season. He's a possibility, but at what price?
Bowe - Will be franchise tagged. Won't be available.
DeSean Jackson - See Vincent Jackson. Jackson did things to hurt the team, and the 49ers appear to desire a big receiver.
Steve Johnson - Expected to re-sign with Bills.
Marques Colston - I think the Saints will let Meachem go and keep Colston, the better receiver.
Brandon Lloyd - Wouldn't come here and isn't really a fit.
Manningham - Borderline #2, not sure he's a fit either.
Jerome Simpson - Here's a guy I would take, but I can't see Cincy doing anything but locking him up as long as possible.
Garcon - Don't think they'd bring him in here.
Burress - Don't think they'd want him in the locker-room.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
i like it but im hoping we get bowe bc it doesnt look like we upgraded our receiving corps very much

Bowe will be getting franchised, unfortunately. KC is desperate on offense and losing Bowe would devastate them.

I can see the scenario playing out, but fans will have a short leash on it if "continuity with the system" doesn't give better results
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