Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
so were going with the same wr corp but adding a 4th rd rookie??
Probably because Morgan was making big strides before he got hurt. If he comes back healthy and continues the early season roll he was on, our WR corps would be better. Fuller would be a good value pick in the 4th round.
i like morgan and all but im not satisfied with a wr group that cant constantly get open, with all the possible wr free agents i would hope we go for at least 1 of those guys. i'll be satisfied with a group of say stevie johnson/colston, crabtree, morgan, williams and the rookie. i want someone that defenses have to worry about and key on and not having to say you stop vernon and you have a great chance to win.
Neither am I, but I am not convinced that we go for a WR that early but I do agree that we could double dip as someone else mentions a couple posts later. He was an undrafted free agent but Dontavia Bogan is on injured reserve and will also be competing with John Matthews and Joe Hastings for a roster spot / PS spots.
I'm also not convinced that we bring Ginn back because KW and Hunter stepped it up in the return game the past couple weeks but I still see Ginn's free agent demand at a near ZERO so I don't believe we'll have issues with bringing him back unless we cut him loose on our terms.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Fuller has starting potential, he just battled injuries and some inconsistent offensive play, in my opinion. I think he can rebound, and is worth a shot in the 3rd-4th.
I think Williams is a good package-specific receiver that has room to go, but he does have a history of injuries and we need insurance for both him AND Morgan AND Crabtree.
I think we need to add two receivers and possibly go with 6 next season. Crabtree had the foot, Morgan the broken leg, Williams had hamstring and concussion, Walker the jaw and other various nicks in the past, Byham the knee. I keep saying, we need to cover our bases. I think we need to bring a bunch of receivers into camp. I say at least 8, and 4-5 TEs.
Maybe something like...
WR - Crabtree, Morgan, Rookie, Williams, Ginn, Rookie, Bogan, Hastings
TE - Davis, Walker, Byham, Reuland, Rookie
OTC is right - More than likely we will carry 10 total receivers going into next season, but don't forget that JH utilizes the PS to it's full extent and most of our packages hinge on only 2 receivers or 2 TEs we rarely go 4 WRS or more so if we focus mainly on 6 quality WRs/TEs and 1 or 2 PS quality guys I would say we're in good shape.
Originally posted by irishluder:
I really like your FA Niners re-signings
But I really dont want to take a 1st round Center, I know alot of guys are really high on Konz...but we have MUCH more pressing needs. CB and WR are two positions we need more talent on, that upgrades our starters. I like picking CB with the 2nd pick and WR Fuller with the 4th, but I'd like to see a WR at #32 . We need to take a shot at a tall pass catching TE also. Good late picks at CB and FS.
Thank you :D
I'm not too keen on a first round lineman but I think there is more value at OL in #1 then receiver in #1. I'm also not convinced that any of the late first round CB's are actually quality prospects. Look at Minnifield and Hosley, Hosley doesn't fit our system and Minnifield could fit but I am taking Hayward's ball hawking ability over Minnifield's lack of said skill.
In my first pass at our off season I had us drafting LaDarius Green TE from Louisiana-Lafayette, 6-6 230 athlete from hell, I would love to add him as a 3rd receiving weapon, he's nearly lean enough to transition to WR so he could be a great versatility pick as well.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'd be amazed, no I'd be shocked if we re-sign that many of our own free agents.
Why? Most of our free agents are low demand back ups that haven't generated buzz at all this season. Short of Larry Grant no back up has had a good enough season to warrant a long term deal on another team. Sure I wouldn't bat an eyelash if we lost Brooks because of his production, which is why I have us drafting Audie Cole in the 3rd but at the same time we've built a different team here and I don't see people wanting to leave, especially with $40 million in cap room. We really only have 4 people worth big deals: Alex, Goldson, Rogers, and Brooks. Morgan will be worth something but we'll offer him a lesser deal and tell him we'll work something out when he has a solid year. After that no one really deserves much more then 1 - 3 year 3 million dollar deals or something comprable.
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
I love your explanations regarding the re-signs as well as the Konz pick at number 1...a guy who could help anchor the line for the next 10 years. I could even go with taking a CB with the number 2 pick. After that however, I think you dropped off a bit, even though I like Black pick at number 6.
I think it is pretty clear now that one of the weakest areas on the team is WR. Since Baalke and Co. want to build through the draft rather than spend a lot in free agency on big name players, waiting until pick 4 seems unlikely.
Like many other zoners, I think the Niners will actually draft 2 wideouts...a burner to help stretch the field and an athletic guy that can consistently get separation. Only Davis at TE seems to be able to get separation and that simply won't cut in the NFL...
Still, there is a lot to like here....nice job overall.
I mentioned above that I think we will have 2 new wideouts in camp next year but I don't necessarily think we'll draft both of them. We already have John Matthews, Joe Hastings, and Dontavia Bogan competing for PS or possibly an active roster spot. Sure they're easily expendable but I'm not convinced that JH and Baalke turn the backs on these guys that quickly. IMO our receving group could look like this next year
Crabtree - Morgan - Rookie - Williams - Ginn - Bogan/Hastings/Matthews
But it could also look like
Crabtree - Morgan - Rookie - Williams - Rookie - Bogan/Hastings/Matthews
Ginn is the X factor, with us taking to WR Benford at the Shrine practices I am starting to lean the way that Ginn will be gone. I don't think we can afford to have a WR who is strictly KR and a liability on offense.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
I love in all these mocks, we never loose any good players. Last year everyone had us keeping Nate, Lawson, and Spikes, unless we drafted their position in the 1st 2 rounds.
I don't approach these threads as cut and dry. I should've put a disclaimer that I think this is how I think it will play out but I was hoping my explanations of the possibility of them leaving was sufficient enough to say that I think we could lose them. Because of this I addressed the needs, like a LB in the 3rd because there is a strong likelihood that Brooks leaves.
I also don't get your logic because we aren't really losing a lineman and I have us drafting a C not a RG. We have capable players in Kilgore and Person to replace Rachal.
Spencer is not that good which is why a 2nd year UDFA has unseated him as the 4th CB
- Also the Hayward pick is the same logic as the Cole pick, we could realistically lose Rogers so we need to be prepared for it and draft a CB early.
I'm taking the same logic to the WR group, sure if Jeffery is available in the 1st I would love to take him but given the likelihood of us retaining Morgan I don't think we will be so hell bent on adding a WR early. We won 13 games with carousal of #2 receivers, if Morgan comes back I bet we win an extra game, the only receiver I think who will drastically improve our game is Alshon Jeffery. I don't think Kendall Wright or Dwight Jones would drastically improve our offense, especially because we emphasize blocking, I haven't seen Wright or Jones hailed for their blocking ability and I think we could find a later round prospect with those attributes.
Our free agents wont be in high demand, both Rogers and Goldson have had amazing years because of our system, not necessarily because of their amazing skills. Teams will recognize this and unless they play a very similar coverage scheme they will not pursue them extremely hard. Brooks is realistically the only free agent I truly think we will LOSE
in free agency. Everyone else will be on our terms.
Here is my personal opinion - The only way we draft a WR in rounds 1 or 2 is if he is supposed to start opposite Crabtree and have Morgan come off the bench in relief duty. Now if Morgan is still expected to start opposite Crabtree I remain convinced that the earliest we draft a WR is in the 3rd round, especially with prospects like Brian Quick, Juron Criner, Jeff Fuller, Marvin Jones and similar players available in the 3 - 5 rounds.
I also should have posted my take on the PS and our lower tier players, I think it would have provided context for a lot of my choices. I'll definitely do that on my next try after the Senior Bowl and Shrine game.
[ Edited by sfout on Jan 18, 2012 at 8:40 AM ]