Originally posted by sfout:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I don't think it's close....
Why isn't it close???
There's a good amount of video on Quinn all over the internet (game video, not highlight compilations...real video--good plays and bad). The guy is just amazing. Size, speed, quickness, anticipation, play recognition, instincts, the power with which he tackles and hits people. He looks like Lawrence Taylor. This is in no way a nock on Miller (who I'm not a HUGE fan of due to his weak tackling...can he really bring down Big Ben or Steven Jackson???). Rather this is a reflection of my view of Quinn. No denying Miller's quickness and ability to get into the backfield. But Quinn, IMO, is a very very rare prospect.
Well the things you've listed Miller stacks up right next to Quinn:
Size - Well 6'2" 240 isn't that much smaller, James Harrison and Elvis Dumerville don't exactly have ideal size either.
Speed - No doubt Miller has that.
Quickness - No denying that one either.
Play recognition/anticipation - Miller has shown to recognize a screen and doesn't bite on play-action as easy. Hes also shown a variety moves to beat an O-lineman, inside or out.
Athleticism - Miller is more than athletic enough to drop back into coverage or stand up in a 3-4, there's also no denying that one.
Power to beat tackles or shed blocks - If you've watched at least one game, you'd see he has the power to beat an OT around him, beat a Guard with an inside move. I think Miller's strength is very underrated, it might be due to the fact that hes mostly speed and doesn't have as big as size as you'd want in a DE. But no doubt he will over power and beat an O-lineman.
I don't get how you can say this kid tackles like hes playing two-hand touch, you don't win the Dick Butkus Award because you can't tackle. Can Miller bring down a Big Ben, I'd say so, he brought down Kaepernick and Ryan Mallet with ease, and both are just as big as Rothelisberger. In what little snaps hes shown in the Senior Bowl hes shown he can make plays, lets not forget he was named Defensive player of the game.
Close, its much closer than you think.
Size isn't everything, but to say Miller and Quinn have similar size is like saying DeSean Jackson and Andre Johnson have similar size. And Kaepernick and Big Ben are similar size? WHhhhhhhaaaaaatttttt?????? Big Ben is one of the strongest QBs to ever play the game, and is very difficult to bring down. Kaepernick has the smallest legs I've ever seen on a QB. Miller has things to like about him, but these size comparisons are preposterous.
I didn't say Quinn and Miller are the same size, I said Miller isn't that much smaller. And I didn't say, Kaepernick are similar in size, I said just as big, talk about putting word in mouth sheesh. No doubt Big Ben is probably the strongest QB in the NFL, but to really question if he Miller can bring down Big Ben is non sense, shoot, Robert Mathis 6'2" 235 sometimes has no trouble taking down Big Ben. Its about the angles and how off balance you are at the time when trying to bring Roethelisberger down, not just Miller, but pretty much every defender has a hard time bringing him down.
But to knock Miller for his size and suppose poor tackling (when in fact he has more tackles in his Jr. and Sr. year than Quinn does in his fresh and Soph years) is absurd. The two knocks on Miller for one, can be gained with proper nutrition, and two, can be coached. But I just don't know what you are looking at, when you knock him for his tackling, from every game I've seen of him he looks like a very sure tackler that wraps up before going for the big hit.
I just don't get the hype for Quinn, I'm not saying hes not any good, but one good year isn't enough to wow me. if anything, Ryan Kerrigan has been more consistent and productive than Quinn.
I've used this example in every Robert Quinn thread. How has Quinn remained a top10 talent through a year off while his teammate Marvin Austin(A preseason top15 talent) who suffered a year ban as well, has dropped all the way to the 2-3 round range in the same time frame? You have to take that into account when you evaluate our potential first round picks. Quinn is the only DE worth our #7 unless Bowers falls to us, but even then Quinn can do that "3rd or 4th thing" that Baalke talked about and drop into coverage, unlike Bowers.
To me in seems like a no contest that we need to take Quinn or trade back for Kerrigan, there don't seem to be any great DEs in the later rounds or even in free agency(lone exception to me is Ray Edwards). I know we need a CB but they played pretty damn well with all things considered and if we could get our hands on Aaron Williams, Brandon Burton, Jimmy Smith, Curtis Brown or Ras-I Dowling I would be just as stoked if we had drafted Amukamara. Then with the idea of drafting Miller, I dont want to have some unstoppable LB corp and a so front 3, remember we will probably not have Franklin around next year(based on the fact that we haven't given him an extension yet), and RJF isn't that great yet.
The best option for us is to is to draft a DE first, CB second, OLB 3rd, QB 4th.
Both Robert Quinn and Ryan Kerrigan would transition into OLB for us, they would be too small to play DE in our 3-4 system.