If A.J. Green

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

this

a great/elite pass rusher will probally get to a qb (pressurehit,sack) maybe around 10 plays at most maybe a god shutdown corner will help your D on practically every play

AJ Green wont be there but he is a damn beast.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

this

a great/elite pass rusher will probally get to a qb (pressurehit,sack) maybe around 10 plays at most maybe a god shutdown corner will help your D on practically every play

Well, not really. If a WR usually gets about 5-8 receptions a game, those are primarily the plays where the CB is going to have a large impact.

I think both are very important and you can argue either way. IMO, I think we will have better results if we can use FA to patch up our secondary and then draft some pass rushers. Without dominant pass rushers OLB, it's pointless to run a 3-4. If you can't generate pressure, now you have to worry about the pass game with typically bigger, less mobile LBs falling into coverage.

Plus, our secondary is built to be physical and provide run support. We haven't drafted/acquired a real cover man since probably Walt Harris (could argue Brown too), Clements was brought in primarily for his physical play, so he could matchup with Arizona's big duo, Boldin and Fitz.

We need some speed and athleticism in our secondary, like GB. They bring the pressure and force QBs into bad throws and their DBs have the speed and awareness to capitalize on it.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

this

a great/elite pass rusher will probally get to a qb (pressurehit,sack) maybe around 10 plays at most maybe a god shutdown corner will help your D on practically every play

Well, not really. If a WR usually gets about 5-8 receptions a game, those are primarily the plays where the CB is going to have a large impact.

I think both are very important and you can argue either way. IMO, I think we will have better results if we can use FA to patch up our secondary and then draft some pass rushers. Without dominant pass rushers OLB, it's pointless to run a 3-4. If you can't generate pressure, now you have to worry about the pass game with typically bigger, less mobile LBs falling into coverage.

Plus, our secondary is built to be physical and provide run support. We haven't drafted/acquired a real cover man since probably Walt Harris (could argue Brown too), Clements was brought in primarily for his physical play, so he could matchup with Arizona's big duo, Boldin and Fitz.

We need some speed and athleticism in our secondary, like GB. They bring the pressure and force QBs into bad throws and their DBs have the speed and awareness to capitalize on it.

Bingo, we have a winner!!

Both are needed to shut down a passing game, 1 cannot survive without the other. In the current state we have found ourselves in I prefer the better CB compared to the better OLB. Clements could go, so could Goldson (both have been sub-par) we are stuck with a patch work secondary. Do we really trust Smith and Mays to patrol the back end with Spencer and ? at CB. That group is ripe for a raping from every QB. No new OLB is going to get that much pressure to any QB to make up for the lack of talent at DB. All an opposing team has to do is bring in a TE to help, then we have nothing. If we can get a CB to shut down the #1 (most of the time) we can focus on blanketing whoever is left.

[ Edited by jreff22 on Jan 31, 2011 at 06:54:28 ]

Originally posted by Sims84:
You take A.J Green if he is available. The draft class is deep with corners and pass rushers that can be had in the 3rd and 4th round. QB must be taken in the 2nd, whether we trade back and collect more picks in the 2nd or whether we just take someone at 45, either way.

You take him over Miller if theyre both there? I go miller

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

look at the colts' secondary...iirc, they had a lot of injuries there and were still effective against the pass. look at us...when jason smith was out against the chargers, we were torched in the secondary even more than before.
and like you see in the list above, one shutdown-corner wont help you nowhere when your d-line and your pass-rush dont make their jobs.
joe haden had a wonderful season but the other CB is s**t and their pass-rush was limited either...wasnt the worst of league, but still limited. what will happen?

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

look at the colts' secondary...iirc, they had a lot of injuries there and were still effective against the pass. look at us...when jason smith was out against the chargers, we were torched in the secondary even more than before.
and like you see in the list above, one shutdown-corner wont help you nowhere when your d-line and your pass-rush dont make their jobs.
joe haden had a wonderful season but the other CB is s**t and their pass-rush was limited either...wasnt the worst of league, but still limited. what will happen?

Devin McCourty had a pretty good year with the Pats as well. Most early (1st Rnd) CB's are the difference makes when it comes to DB's. The safer picks between 1st round CB's and OLB/DE's are the CB's. Both are a very important part of the passing game and both need to be addressed. But considering our high pick, talent available, and bust factor, CB seems safer between the two. I can rattle off a lot more surefire CB's that worked out compared to OLB's.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Devin McCourty had a pretty good year with the Pats as well. Most early (1st Rnd) CB's are the difference makes when it comes to DB's. The safer picks between 1st round CB's and OLB/DE's are the CB's. Both are a very important part of the passing game and both need to be addressed. But considering our high pick, talent available, and bust factor, CB seems safer between the two. I can rattle off a lot more surefire CB's that worked out compared to OLB's.

and i wouldnt care about that b/c i look at the ovr picture.

Would Just JIZZ ALL OVER MY NEW LAPTOP!!! Morgan is a solid number 2 better then most options in the nfl, him plus crabtree, and aj... O yeah won't happen if he falls he's the best option at 7. Mostlikely we take price or front 7!

We do not need another reciever especially with the freak of nature in VD plus we got Crabs. Plus we are in dire need of a pass rush and more so a CB. But AJ Green what a specimen. If he drops down to the Niners at #7. We take him no questions asked! ...If you guys say we pass on him it's clear to assume you must be blind and have not seen him play.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

this

a great/elite pass rusher will probally get to a qb (pressurehit,sack) maybe around 10 plays at most maybe a god shutdown corner will help your D on practically every play

Well, not really. If a WR usually gets about 5-8 receptions a game, those are primarily the plays where the CB is going to have a large impact.

I think both are very important and you can argue either way. IMO, I think we will have better results if we can use FA to patch up our secondary and then draft some pass rushers. Without dominant pass rushers OLB, it's pointless to run a 3-4. If you can't generate pressure, now you have to worry about the pass game with typically bigger, less mobile LBs falling into coverage.

Plus, our secondary is built to be physical and provide run support. We haven't drafted/acquired a real cover man since probably Walt Harris (could argue Brown too), Clements was brought in primarily for his physical play, so he could matchup with Arizona's big duo, Boldin and Fitz.

We need some speed and athleticism in our secondary, like GB. They bring the pressure and force QBs into bad throws and their DBs have the speed and awareness to capitalize on it.

Brown couldn't cover a 90 year old man in a powered wheel chair...

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by communist:

Quote:
Like I said, with pass rushers they're basically all over the board. Would you like to look at the top 10 Int leaders in 2010?
1. Ed Reed- 1st rd
2. Devin McCourty- 1st rd
3. Troy Polamalu- 1st rd
4. Asante Samuels- 4th rd
5. Joe Haden- 1st rd
6. Deangelo Hall- 1st rd
7. Aquib Talib- 1st rd
8. Tramon Williams- Undrafted
9. Terrance Newman- 1st rd
10. Earl Thomas- 1st rd
So leaders in INT's 8 out of 10 in the 1st rd. Now who do you consider shut down corners?

1. Darrell Revis- 1st rd ok
2. Nnamdi Asomugha- 1st rd look at their earlier seasons according to their pass defense
3. Charles Woodson- 1st rd just look at their pass-rush
4. Champ Bailey- 1st rd the broncos D sucks anyway...
5. Antonio Cromartie- 1st rd overrated guy, sorry
6. Nate Clemens- 1st rd look at our pass defense
7. Ronde Barber- 3rd rd

dont you get it? a CB can shut-down one man, a good pass-rush can shut down the whole passing offense.

Actually no it cant, that logic does not hold water. Look at one of the best DE/OLB's in the game, a true sack master, DeMarcus Ware. Ware once again put up double digit sacks, 15 to be exact. By your logic his presence alone should of shut down the opposing teams passing game. Well, Dallas finished up at the back of the pack, 26th in passing D. And most mocks and intelligent guessing has Dallas going after the best CB available to them in the first, Prince Amukamara. So why would Dallas burn a high draft pick on a CB if a great OLB can shut down passing games alone?

this

a great/elite pass rusher will probally get to a qb (pressurehit,sack) maybe around 10 plays at most maybe a god shutdown corner will help your D on practically every play

Well, not really. If a WR usually gets about 5-8 receptions a game, those are primarily the plays where the CB is going to have a large impact.

I think both are very important and you can argue either way. IMO, I think we will have better results if we can use FA to patch up our secondary and then draft some pass rushers. Without dominant pass rushers OLB, it's pointless to run a 3-4. If you can't generate pressure, now you have to worry about the pass game with typically bigger, less mobile LBs falling into coverage.

Plus, our secondary is built to be physical and provide run support. We haven't drafted/acquired a real cover man since probably Walt Harris (could argue Brown too), Clements was brought in primarily for his physical play, so he could matchup with Arizona's big duo, Boldin and Fitz.

We need some speed and athleticism in our secondary, like GB. They bring the pressure and force QBs into bad throws and their DBs have the speed and awareness to capitalize on it.

Brown couldn't cover a 90 year old man in a powered wheel chair...

You give Al Davis too much credit.