Nick's Final Mock Draft (Full 1st Round)

9. Buffalo - OT Brian Bulaga - Some may be shocked that they don't go with Clausen, but OT is huge huge need for them, especially after losing both starting OTs prior to the start of the '09 season. They decide to pass on Clausen because they don't expect to be a playoff team this year and the 2011 class is stacked.


I can see this happening and them either trading back into the 1st to get Tebow or wait till see who they can get between Colt Mccoy or tebow.


I just dont see this Niners not getting a tackle in the first, its by far our biggest need like you said with they way your mock plays out it opens up the niners being able to trade, or hell even if they dont trade they can still get Ducasse, but they better have done their homework on him if that what they decide to do.

We NEED a starting RT in this draft

I honestly dont think dez bryant would be a good pick at 17. Is there value? Yes. Would it be the best move for us? No. Simply put because we have a WR from last year, a developing one from a couple years, one of the best tight ends, and a helleva running back. we mostly ran 2WR 1TE 1Rb with the option of a FB. I think that we need a OL or else you cant utilize it if you QB is on his bum for the whole game. We NEED OL. I'm impartial to the Earl Thomas pick but again, I feel we need to draft for places of need, not places of luxury and Bryant is a pick of luxury.

BTW, there is no guarantee Farve is coming back, and Minnesota is built to win now, not win later. Tebow will not be the pick, it would be colt mccoy if they go QB

Originally posted by valrod33:
9. Buffalo - OT Brian Bulaga - Some may be shocked that they don't go with Clausen, but OT is huge huge need for them, especially after losing both starting OTs prior to the start of the '09 season. They decide to pass on Clausen because they don't expect to be a playoff team this year and the 2011 class is stacked.


I can see this happening and them either trading back into the 1st to get Tebow or wait till see who they can get between Colt Mccoy or tebow.


I just dont see this Niners not getting a tackle in the first, its by far our biggest need like you said with they way your mock plays out it opens up the niners being able to trade, or hell even if they dont trade they can still get Ducasse, but they better have done their homework on him if that what they decide to do.

We NEED a starting RT in this draft

Yes, RT is by far our biggest need, but if the Top 4 OTs are gone by 13 and 17, we are kind of screwed -- either we trade down and go w/ another position. Taking Iupati at 17 is VERY risky, since he's never played OT. And taking Saffold or Ducasse at 17 would be the reach of the decade (outside of Heyward-Bey).

Originally posted by j3xperience:
I honestly dont think dez bryant would be a good pick at 17. Is there value? Yes. Would it be the best move for us? No. Simply put because we have a WR from last year, a developing one from a couple years, one of the best tight ends, and a helleva running back. we mostly ran 2WR 1TE 1Rb with the option of a FB. I think that we need a OL or else you cant utilize it if you QB is on his bum for the whole game. We NEED OL. I'm impartial to the Earl Thomas pick but again, I feel we need to draft for places of need, not places of luxury and Bryant is a pick of luxury.

BTW, there is no guarantee Farve is coming back, and Minnesota is built to win now, not win later. Tebow will not be the pick, it would be colt mccoy if they go QB

Then unless you trade down, who do you pick @ 17?

And on Tebow to the Vikes, there has been a TON of chatter on the subject --

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/vikings-eyeball-tebow/

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by j3xperience:
I honestly dont think dez bryant would be a good pick at 17. Is there value? Yes. Would it be the best move for us? No. Simply put because we have a WR from last year, a developing one from a couple years, one of the best tight ends, and a helleva running back. we mostly ran 2WR 1TE 1Rb with the option of a FB. I think that we need a OL or else you cant utilize it if you QB is on his bum for the whole game. We NEED OL. I'm impartial to the Earl Thomas pick but again, I feel we need to draft for places of need, not places of luxury and Bryant is a pick of luxury.

BTW, there is no guarantee Farve is coming back, and Minnesota is built to win now, not win later. Tebow will not be the pick, it would be colt mccoy if they go QB

Then unless you trade down, who do you pick @ 17?

And on Tebow to the Vikes, there has been a TON of chatter on the subject --

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/vikings-eyeball-tebow/

Saint Paul Pioneer Press journalist Charley Walters disagrees :

Quote:
The Vikings will take Florida QB Tim Tebow with the No. 30 pick in Thursday's NFL draft, projects Pro Football Weekly. But the reality is, there is virtually no chance of that happening.

Link

No offensive linemen in the first is terrible.

Thomas is not good value at 13. Do you really want a guy who struggles tackling to be our last line of defense? Thomas is solid at covering and will probably be a fine corner but I don't like spending a top 15 pick and changing his position. Until he shows better ability at tackling then putting him at FS is a liability no matter how good he may be able to cover the field.

While Dez is fine value at 17 I think you are seriously undervaluing both Brown and Iupati. Especially considering that OTs tend to be selected earlier than other positions and how big of a need we have for quality OL.

I don't know what it is Nick but you have an unhealthy mancrush on Thomas. Every single mock you do has us taking him.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by j3xperience:
I honestly dont think dez bryant would be a good pick at 17. Is there value? Yes. Would it be the best move for us? No. Simply put because we have a WR from last year, a developing one from a couple years, one of the best tight ends, and a helleva running back. we mostly ran 2WR 1TE 1Rb with the option of a FB. I think that we need a OL or else you cant utilize it if you QB is on his bum for the whole game. We NEED OL. I'm impartial to the Earl Thomas pick but again, I feel we need to draft for places of need, not places of luxury and Bryant is a pick of luxury.

BTW, there is no guarantee Farve is coming back, and Minnesota is built to win now, not win later. Tebow will not be the pick, it would be colt mccoy if they go QB

Then unless you trade down, who do you pick @ 17?

And on Tebow to the Vikes, there has been a TON of chatter on the subject --

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/vikings-eyeball-tebow/

Saint Paul Pioneer Press journalist Charley Walters disagrees :

Quote:
The Vikings will take Florida QB Tim Tebow with the No. 30 pick in Thursday's NFL draft, projects Pro Football Weekly. But the reality is, there is virtually no chance of that happening.

Link

The author gives no information to back that up, NONE AT ALL. Probably a smokescreen for the Vikes front office, who personally attended his workout isntead of Clausen's. Tebow also helps them sell a stadium.

If I couldn't trade the #17 pick, I'd select Iupati over Bryant - to play guard, not as a tackle project. That's a high pick for a guard but his talent isn't in question and he'd be an upgrade over what we've got. We'll be getting a bit diva-heavy in the reciever department with Bryant onboard.

Originally posted by joey82:



No offensive linemen in the first is terrible.

Thomas is not good value at 13. Do you really want a guy who struggles tackling to be our last line of defense? Thomas is solid at covering and will probably be a fine corner but I don't like spending a top 15 pick and changing his position. Until he shows better ability at tackling then putting him at FS is a liability no matter how good he may be able to cover the field.

While Dez is fine value at 17 I think you are seriously undervaluing both Brown and Iupati. Especially considering that OTs tend to be selected earlier than other positions and how big of a need we have for quality OL.

I don't know what it is Nick but you have an unhealthy mancrush on Thomas. Every single mock you do has us taking him.

Pretty much agree. I don't think Thomas is that much of a risk but I understand the point you are making.

Originally posted by joey82:



No offensive linemen in the first is terrible.

Thomas is not good value at 13. Do you really want a guy who struggles tackling to be our last line of defense? Thomas is solid at covering and will probably be a fine corner but I don't like spending a top 15 pick and changing his position. Until he shows better ability at tackling then putting him at FS is a liability no matter how good he may be able to cover the field.

While Dez is fine value at 17 I think you are seriously undervaluing both Brown and Iupati. Especially considering that OTs tend to be selected earlier than other positions and how big of a need we have for quality OL.

I don't know what it is Nick but you have an unhealthy mancrush on Thomas. Every single mock you do has us taking him.

Yep, I think Thomas has the best ball skills in a long, long time...better than Berry! And Mike Mayock agrees. Thomas does not have poor tackling skills, but he is not a SS, play-in-the-box guy either. He is a pure FS, a guy who can take away the deep threat. His position will not be changes to CB, he will stay at FS.

If one of the Top 4 OTs were available at 13, we would be taking one of them.

Speaking of OTs, Iupati has never played the position. Please take a look at KC's recent experience trying to convert a Guard to play OT (Branden Albert).

You also have to remember that we're drafting a RIGHT tackle here, not an LT. You can get a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round that can be very effective. So unless you plan on drafting a guy that can push Staley for his job someday (I think the Top 4 OTs can, the rest cannot), then you're better off waiting.

Originally posted by ramanz16:
If I couldn't trade the #17 pick, I'd select Iupati over Bryant - to play guard, not as a tackle project. That's a high pick for a guard but his talent isn't in question and he'd be an upgrade over what we've got. We'll be getting a bit diva-heavy in the reciever department with Bryant onboard.

but if you take Iupati, we still don't have a RT. What did you accomplish by doing that?

And I don't think Dez is a diva -- I think he is getting a bad rap. I think he's kind of dumb, but WRs don't have to be rocket scientists...

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by j3xperience:
I honestly dont think dez bryant would be a good pick at 17. Is there value? Yes. Would it be the best move for us? No. Simply put because we have a WR from last year, a developing one from a couple years, one of the best tight ends, and a helleva running back. we mostly ran 2WR 1TE 1Rb with the option of a FB. I think that we need a OL or else you cant utilize it if you QB is on his bum for the whole game. We NEED OL. I'm impartial to the Earl Thomas pick but again, I feel we need to draft for places of need, not places of luxury and Bryant is a pick of luxury.

BTW, there is no guarantee Farve is coming back, and Minnesota is built to win now, not win later. Tebow will not be the pick, it would be colt mccoy if they go QB

Then unless you trade down, who do you pick @ 17?

And on Tebow to the Vikes, there has been a TON of chatter on the subject --

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/vikings-eyeball-tebow/

Saint Paul Pioneer Press journalist Charley Walters disagrees :

Quote:
The Vikings will take Florida QB Tim Tebow with the No. 30 pick in Thursday's NFL draft, projects Pro Football Weekly. But the reality is, there is virtually no chance of that happening.

Link

The author gives no information to back that up, NONE AT ALL. Probably a smokescreen for the Vikes front office, who personally attended his workout isntead of Clausen's. Tebow also helps them sell a stadium.

What did Florio really have to back up his s**t ? NOTHING, it's all speculation but the local journalist probably is closer to the truth than Mike Florio.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by joey82:



No offensive linemen in the first is terrible.

Thomas is not good value at 13. Do you really want a guy who struggles tackling to be our last line of defense? Thomas is solid at covering and will probably be a fine corner but I don't like spending a top 15 pick and changing his position. Until he shows better ability at tackling then putting him at FS is a liability no matter how good he may be able to cover the field.

While Dez is fine value at 17 I think you are seriously undervaluing both Brown and Iupati. Especially considering that OTs tend to be selected earlier than other positions and how big of a need we have for quality OL.

I don't know what it is Nick but you have an unhealthy mancrush on Thomas. Every single mock you do has us taking him.

Yep, I think Thomas has the best ball skills in a long, long time...better than Berry! And Mike Mayock agrees. Thomas does not have poor tackling skills, but he is not a SS, play-in-the-box guy either. He is a pure FS, a guy who can take away the deep threat. His position will not be changes to CB, he will stay at FS.

If one of the Top 4 OTs were available at 13, we would be taking one of them.

Speaking of OTs, Iupati has never played the position. Please take a look at KC's recent experience trying to convert a Guard to play OT (Branden Albert).

You also have to remember that we're drafting a RIGHT tackle here, not an LT. You can get a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round that can be very effective. So unless you plan on drafting a guy that can push Staley for his job someday (I think the Top 4 OTs can, the rest cannot), then you're better off waiting.

Disagree completely.. I don't think you are being objective at all, your mancrush is deluding you. Is Thomas a great player sure, but he doesn't have the best ball skills in a long long time either. The guys biggest weakness is tackling. He does have issues with it and a safety should not have tackling issues even if they aren't a SS they still need to support on running plays and be the last line of defense on passing plays.

Brandon Albert is going to start at Tackle for the Chiefs this year it is uncommon for any player to start as a rookie especially out of position. Remember that our first rounders aren't necessarily going to be impact players in their rookie years. Even if we have to play Iupati at guard then that is fine because Baas isn't sticking around for much longer and he could be great insurance if Rachal fails to develop.

Brown could be an excellent RT or even a future LT. I don't care if it is just a RIGHT tackle if we can't keep Smith upright we are not going to the playoffs.

I personally love the arguement that we shouldn't draft an RT in the first because you can find them later. Well guess what you can find any position later in the draft. Tom Brady was a sixth rounder so I guess no reason to ever take a QB in the first because you can get them later right?

If there is a gaping hole on your team and a guy with good value available you take him. It is simple. Considering that both Brown and Iupati would both go before 25 (if they are even there at 17) is it really that much of a reach to take them at 17?