Trade Up for Iupati?

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Trade Up for Iupati?

If the top 3 or 4 tackels are gone at 13 (probably will), we won't be taking one there.

I am very high on OT/G Mike Iupati, but he's a big reach at 13 or 17. So say we take Spiller, Haden, Thomas, or Mays (two of the above) with our #13 and #17.

We can then trade up to get Iupati between picks 24 - 27...that would cost us a third-rounder.

Iupati can play both Guard and Tackle, so he provdes excellent depth for us.

Imagine going home on Day 1 with Spiller, Haden (or Thomas), and Iupati!

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

I never like the idea of trading away a 1st rounder. Instead, I think I would prefer Iupati, a tackle and only one of your sexy picks.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Trade up to draft a guard come on joe that's not smart business

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Trade up to draft a guard come on joe that's not smart business

guard/tackle...and he's a guy that Scouts Inc (McShay) has as the #14 prospect in the whole draft. To get his talent in the late 1st would be a steal.

Iupati's dilemma is that guards rarely get drafted high, even if they're the best guard anybody's ever seen. But he plays tackle too.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Trade up to draft a guard come on joe that's not smart business

guard/tackle...and he's a guy that Scouts Inc (McShay) has as the #14 prospect in the whole draft. To get his talent in the late 1st would be a steal.

Iupati's dilemma is that guards rarely get drafted high, even if they're the best guard anybody's ever seen. But he plays tackle too.

He's a guard he may be able to attempt to play tackle, but as of right now the guy is a guard. And sorry i'm not at all for trading away a 1st rounder for a guard. the position just doesn't hold the value. Unless you see a QB,LT,CB, or DE that you really want, I wouldn't trade away a future 1st rounder. Yes he's the best guard on the board but I'd rather reach for him then trade away a pick.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

I never like the idea of trading away a 1st rounder. Instead, I think I would prefer Iupati, a tackle and only one of your sexy picks.

But Iupati is a reach at 13 or 17; You'd get better value trading up for him.

Also, trading away future #1s isn't a bad move if done right. There's a reason draft value charts value "next year" picks at 50% value. That's a year of development lost.

For example, if we traded a #1 to get Iupati, Iupati in his second season in 2011 would be much better than a rookie RT in 2011.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Trade up to draft a guard come on joe that's not smart business

guard/tackle...and he's a guy that Scouts Inc (McShay) has as the #14 prospect in the whole draft. To get his talent in the late 1st would be a steal.

Iupati's dilemma is that guards rarely get drafted high, even if they're the best guard anybody's ever seen. But he plays tackle too.

He's a guard he may be able to attempt to play tackle, but as of right now the guy is a guard. And sorry i'm not at all for trading away a 1st rounder for a guard. the position just doesn't hold the value. Unless you see a QB,LT,CB, or DE that you really want, I wouldn't trade away a future 1st rounder. Yes he's the best guard on the board but I'd rather reach for him then trade away a pick.

You would "rather reach for him then trade away a pick"? Isn't that the same as trading away a future pick???

Also, would you trade away a future #1 for Steve Hutchinson? He went at #17, I believe that's the highest a guard has ever gone...and he's the best Guard in the league.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

I never like the idea of trading away a 1st rounder. Instead, I think I would prefer Iupati, a tackle and only one of your sexy picks.

But Iupati is a reach at 13 or 17; You'd get better value trading up for him.

Also, trading away future #1s isn't a bad move if done right. There's a reason draft value charts value "next year" picks at 50% value. That's a year of development lost.

For example, if we traded a #1 to get Iupati, Iupati in his second season in 2011 would be much better than a rookie RT in 2011.

Or we could trade down for him.

Regarding future No 1's, don't try reasoning with me. You may have all the arguments in the world but I still hate the idea! Takes away your flexibility and spoils next year's draft.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

I never like the idea of trading away a 1st rounder. Instead, I think I would prefer Iupati, a tackle and only one of your sexy picks.

But Iupati is a reach at 13 or 17; You'd get better value trading up for him.

Also, trading away future #1s isn't a bad move if done right. There's a reason draft value charts value "next year" picks at 50% value. That's a year of development lost.

For example, if we traded a #1 to get Iupati, Iupati in his second season in 2011 would be much better than a rookie RT in 2011.

Or we could trade down for him.

Regarding future No 1's, don't try reasoning with me. You may have all the arguments in the world but I still hate the idea! Takes away your flexibility and spoils next year's draft.

One hypothetical trade-back scenario is Dallas sending us their #90 and the #27 for the #17 to take S Earl Thomas. FS is a huge need for Dallas and he's local.

We can still get a star at 13, Iupati at 27, an OT at 49, and perhaps a couple of defensive backs at 79 and 90.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by saj4423:
I think that trading back into the first round will cost them a third this year and next years #1 which is a little more than I would be willing to spend.

Where are you pulling that from? Trade Calculator dictates a 3rd rounder to move up from 49 to 25. I think you're speculating about keeping the #49...which isn't a bd move either.

We'd give up our #1 next year and take 4 players in the first 50 picks this year. We can take Iupati AND an OT!

I never like the idea of trading away a 1st rounder. Instead, I think I would prefer Iupati, a tackle and only one of your sexy picks.

But Iupati is a reach at 13 or 17; You'd get better value trading up for him.

Also, trading away future #1s isn't a bad move if done right. There's a reason draft value charts value "next year" picks at 50% value. That's a year of development lost.

For example, if we traded a #1 to get Iupati, Iupati in his second season in 2011 would be much better than a rookie RT in 2011.

Or we could trade down for him.

Regarding future No 1's, don't try reasoning with me. You may have all the arguments in the world but I still hate the idea! Takes away your flexibility and spoils next year's draft.

One hypothetical trade-back scenario is Dallas sending us their #90 and the #27 for the #17 to take S Earl Thomas. FS is a huge need for Dallas and he's local.

We can still get a star at 13, Iupati at 27, an OT at 49, and perhaps a couple of defensive backs at 79 and 90.

Trading with Dallas is like negotiating with Satan. But the deal looks ok and I suspect that in a year's time everyone will have forgotten where we drafted Iupati. And for once we will have a line!