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Patriots Drafts

2009
2a Pat Chung 34 SS Oregon
2b Ron Brace 40 DT Boston College
2c Darius Butler 41 CB Connecticut
2d Sebastian Vollmer 58 OL Houston
3a Brandon Tate 83 WR North Carolina
3b Tyrone McKenzie 97 LB South Florida
4 Rich Ohrnberger 123 OL Penn State
5 George Bussey 170 OL Louisville
6a Jake Ingram 198 LS Hawaii
6b Myron Pryor 207 DT Kentucky
7a Julian Edelman 232 WR Kent State
7b Darryl Richard 234 DT Georgia Tech


2008
1 Jerod Mayo 10 LB Tennessee
2 Terrence Wheatley 62 CB Colorado
3 Shawn Crable 78 LB Michigan
3 Kevin O'Connell 94 QB San Diego State
4 Jonathan Wilhite 129 CB Auburn
5 Matthew Slater 153 WR UCLA
6 Bo Ruud 197 LB Nebraska

2007
1 Brandon Meriweather 24 S Miami (Fla.)
4 Kareem Brown 127 DL Miami (Fla.)
5 Clint Oldenburg 171 T Colorado State Compensatory Pick.
6a Justin Rogers 180 LB Southern Methodist
6b Mike Richardson 202 CB Notre Dame
6c Justise Hairston 208 RB Central Connecticut Compensatory Pick.
6d Corey Hilliard 208 T Oklahoma State Compensatory Pick.
7 Oscar Lua 211 LB Southern California
7 Mike Elgin 247 G/C Iowa Compensatory Pick.

2006
1 Laurence Maroney 21 RB Minnesota
2 Chad Jackson 36 WR Florida
3 David Thomas 86 TE Texas
4a Garrett Mills 106 FB Tulsa
4b Stephen Gostkowski 118 K Memphis
5a Ryan O'Callaghan 136 T California
6a Jeremy Mincey 191 LB Florida
6b Dan Stevenson 205 G Notre Dame
6c Le Kevin Smith 206 DL Nebraska
7 Willie Andrews 229 DB Baylor

2005

1 Logan Mankins 32 G Fresno State

3a Ellis Hobbs III 84 CB Iowa State
3b Nick Kaczur 100 T Toledo
4 James Sanders 133 S Fresno State
5 Ryan Claridge 170 OLB Nevada-Las Vegas
7a Matt Cassel 230 QB
7b Andy Stokes 255 TE William Penn
Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run (He had 61/2 sacks)
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

You used a lot of "buts" wich tells me that you are reaching for excuses, we lost to Seattle beacause of those "buts", we missed the playoffs because of those "buts"!
See there was a time when excuses & "but" wouldn't fly around here.

I never heard "Roger Craig had a GREAT game against the GIANTS "BUT" he fumbled", no all I heard was Roger Craig messed up everything by fumbling!

We have a O-line loaded with bust players selected in rounds 2-7! Players that don't perform are busts, players that can't beat out a bust for playing times are more than likely busts as well.
Wait, this thread is from the guy that wants to draft Tebow and Toby Gerhart with the 2nd and 3rd round picks!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=137777

LOL
[ Edited by kronik on Feb 9, 2010 at 10:19 PM ]
  • Karma
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run (He had 61/2 sacks)
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

You used a lot of "buts" wich tells me that you are reaching for excuses, we lost to Seattle beacause of those "buts", we missed the playoffs because of those "buts"!
See there was a time when excuses & "but" wouldn't fly around here.

I never heard "Roger Craig had a GREAT game against the GIANTS "BUT" he fumbled", no all I heard was Roger Craig messed up everything by fumbling!

We have a O-line loaded with bust players selected in rounds 2-7! Players that don't perform are busts, players that can't beat out a bust for playing times are more than likely busts as well.

I think you missed the point of my use of the conjunction "but". See, it separates your argument from mine. Example: You see players that contribute or specialize as busts, BUT I see several years worth of drafted players that have become a core of a recent improvement and cause for realistic hope of contention.

Incidentally, good example of a player that was nominated to the Hall of Fame.

I will, however, grant you that the team has struggled to draft a championship caliber offensive line. Staley is a very good building block and Chilo Rachal is very close to proving himself to be an excellent RG, but David Baas, Adam Snyder, and Cody Wallace have underachieved so far. Yet they were the right choice at the time: David Baas was an absolute beast at Michigan and there was no reason to suspect he wouldn't be just that in the pros; Adam Snyder's versatility was coveted by several teams drafting after us, hence the trade up to get him; and Cody Wallace was an excellent prospect at Center when we were unsure of Heitmann's ability to make the transition. The point is EVERY TEAM HAS TO DEAL WITH IMPERFECT DRAFTS! Have you ever had a job where there was zero turn-over? It's the same premise. People are hired to do a job, some of them perform well and the rest are eventually purged and replaced. What you are over-looking is the fact that a significant number of the players drafted in the last four years are still performing and improving. That is a good thing.
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State
None of the players in bold can even remotely be considered "busts".

1) If you were drafted in the 6th or 7th rounds, and you made an NFL roster for 1 or more years, you are not a bust. Not only did many of those 6th and 7th rounders make an NFL roster, but some of them are starting or playing for other teams in the league.
2) If you are a first year player who made the roster, its hard to consider you a bust.
3) Thomas Clayton never made the roster, but what more could you ask of the guy? He was a 6th round pick who led the preseason in rushing in his first year.

Most of the players I left out are debatable as to whether or not they qualify as "busts". Smith, Baas, Hill, R Smith, Balmer, have contributed to the team, and still have a good chance to turn into players worthy of their draft slot. Of course, for Alex Smith, it will always be tough to fulfill his #1 overall draft slot.
Originally posted by kronik:
Wait, this thread is from the guy that wants to draft Tebow and Toby Gerhart with the 2nd and 3rd round picks!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=137777

LOL

This thread isn't FROM a guy that want's to draft Tebow & Gerhart, when did I ever say that? I could have swore I asked if YOU GUYS would be mad if we drafted Tebow & Gerhart.

Now look at how I can flip this on you: LOL This post is from a guy that can't read...
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run (He had 61/2 sacks)
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

You used a lot of "buts" wich tells me that you are reaching for excuses, we lost to Seattle beacause of those "buts", we missed the playoffs because of those "buts"!
See there was a time when excuses & "but" wouldn't fly around here.

I never heard "Roger Craig had a GREAT game against the GIANTS "BUT" he fumbled", no all I heard was Roger Craig messed up everything by fumbling!

We have a O-line loaded with bust players selected in rounds 2-7! Players that don't perform are busts, players that can't beat out a bust for playing times are more than likely busts as well.

I think you missed the point of my use of the conjunction "but". See, it separates your argument from mine. Example: You see players that contribute or specialize as busts, BUT I see several years worth of drafted players that have become a core of a recent improvement and cause for realistic hope of contention.

Incidentally, good example of a player that was nominated to the Hall of Fame.

I will, however, grant you that the team has struggled to draft a championship caliber offensive line. Staley is a very good building block and Chilo Rachal is very close to proving himself to be an excellent RG, but David Baas, Adam Snyder, and Cody Wallace have underachieved so far. Yet they were the right choice at the time: David Baas was an absolute beast at Michigan and there was no reason to suspect he wouldn't be just that in the pros; Adam Snyder's versatility was coveted by several teams drafting after us, hence the trade up to get him; and Cody Wallace was an excellent prospect at Center when we were unsure of Heitmann's ability to make the transition. The point is EVERY TEAM HAS TO DEAL WITH IMPERFECT DRAFTS! Have you ever had a job where there was zero turn-over? It's the same premise. People are hired to do a job, some of them perform well and the rest are eventually purged and replaced. What you are over-looking is the fact that a significant number of the players drafted in the last four years are still performing and improving. That is a good thing.

Yet you have him in bold as exceptional (above), come on now are you just typing to type. You type me two books that contridict one another?
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by kronik:
Wait, this thread is from the guy that wants to draft Tebow and Toby Gerhart with the 2nd and 3rd round picks!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=137777

LOL

This thread isn't FROM a guy that want's to draft Tebow & Gerhart, when did I ever say that? I could have swore I asked if YOU GUYS would be mad if we drafted Tebow & Gerhart.

Now look at how I can flip this on you: LOL This post is from a guy that can't read...

Semantics.

And the draft is a crapshoot. A gamble. Even the first round picks regularly bust. Actually I don't think our drafting record of late is that bad
You aren't going to get pro bowl players with every pick thats not realistic.

You know what Walsh's standard was for drafting a player? If they can help the team for three years it was a good pick.

Now that is the standard for Bill Walsh. I think you have to be able to get solid starters with your first picks and Scott has been above average with his picks.

Scott also had so many positions to fill on this team so he drafted BPA a lot of the time as well as having his favorites (Crabtree, Morgan, Willis, Gore, Goldson, Lawson). These guys are all good players and good character guys.

I think they have built a solid team with a solid foundation. It will be a very interesting draft this year. I can't wait for the draft and I think Scott will do a good job.
  • Karma
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run (He had 61/2 sacks)
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

You used a lot of "buts" wich tells me that you are reaching for excuses, we lost to Seattle beacause of those "buts", we missed the playoffs because of those "buts"!
See there was a time when excuses & "but" wouldn't fly around here.

I never heard "Roger Craig had a GREAT game against the GIANTS "BUT" he fumbled", no all I heard was Roger Craig messed up everything by fumbling!

We have a O-line loaded with bust players selected in rounds 2-7! Players that don't perform are busts, players that can't beat out a bust for playing times are more than likely busts as well.

I think you missed the point of my use of the conjunction "but". See, it separates your argument from mine. Example: You see players that contribute or specialize as busts, BUT I see several years worth of drafted players that have become a core of a recent improvement and cause for realistic hope of contention.

Incidentally, good example of a player that was nominated to the Hall of Fame.

I will, however, grant you that the team has struggled to draft a championship caliber offensive line. Staley is a very good building block and Chilo Rachal is very close to proving himself to be an excellent RG, but David Baas, Adam Snyder, and Cody Wallace have underachieved so far. Yet they were the right choice at the time: David Baas was an absolute beast at Michigan and there was no reason to suspect he wouldn't be just that in the pros; Adam Snyder's versatility was coveted by several teams drafting after us, hence the trade up to get him; and Cody Wallace was an excellent prospect at Center when we were unsure of Heitmann's ability to make the transition. The point is EVERY TEAM HAS TO DEAL WITH IMPERFECT DRAFTS! Have you ever had a job where there was zero turn-over? It's the same premise. People are hired to do a job, some of them perform well and the rest are eventually purged and replaced. What you are over-looking is the fact that a significant number of the players drafted in the last four years are still performing and improving. That is a good thing.

Yet you have him in bold as exceptional (above), come on now are you just typing to type. You type me two books that contridict one another?

Try reading through my "books" and find where I said that Cody Wallace was exceptional. I said that he was an excellent prospect coming out of college.

By the way, you accuse me of writing two "books", which tells me that you don't like reading that much, and then you misspell contradict. Be careful of accusing people of typing just to type.
[ Edited by Karma on Feb 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM ]
A lot of your "busts" can still turn out to be solid players....Manny Lawson is not a bust btw...
Originally posted by glorydayz:
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

Do the same for Piolli, Belicheck, Parcells, Walsh throughout their careers. I bet you'd be surprised at how many "busts" they drafted. I have disagree with many of your names not being in bold. If you are starting/contributing and you were drafted in the 3rd round or lower how are you a bust?
Originally posted by Sinsation:
Patriots Drafts

2009
2a Pat Chung 34 SS Oregon
2b Ron Brace 40 DT Boston College
2c Darius Butler 41 CB Connecticut
2d Sebastian Vollmer 58 OL Houston
3a Brandon Tate 83 WR North Carolina
3b Tyrone McKenzie 97 LB South Florida
4 Rich Ohrnberger 123 OL Penn State
5 George Bussey 170 OL Louisville
6a Jake Ingram 198 LS Hawaii
6b Myron Pryor 207 DT Kentucky
7a Julian Edelman 232 WR Kent State
7b Darryl Richard 234 DT Georgia Tech


2008
1 Jerod Mayo 10 LB Tennessee
2 Terrence Wheatley 62 CB Colorado
3 Shawn Crable 78 LB Michigan
3 Kevin O'Connell 94 QB San Diego State
4 Jonathan Wilhite 129 CB Auburn
5 Matthew Slater 153 WR UCLA
6 Bo Ruud 197 LB Nebraska

2007
1 Brandon Meriweather 24 S Miami (Fla.)
4 Kareem Brown 127 DL Miami (Fla.)
5 Clint Oldenburg 171 T Colorado State Compensatory Pick.
6a Justin Rogers 180 LB Southern Methodist
6b Mike Richardson 202 CB Notre Dame
6c Justise Hairston 208 RB Central Connecticut Compensatory Pick.
6d Corey Hilliard 208 T Oklahoma State Compensatory Pick.
7 Oscar Lua 211 LB Southern California
7 Mike Elgin 247 G/C Iowa Compensatory Pick.

2006
1 Laurence Maroney 21 RB Minnesota
2 Chad Jackson 36 WR Florida
3 David Thomas 86 TE Texas
4a Garrett Mills 106 FB Tulsa
4b Stephen Gostkowski 118 K Memphis
5a Ryan O'Callaghan 136 T California
6a Jeremy Mincey 191 LB Florida
6b Dan Stevenson 205 G Notre Dame
6c Le Kevin Smith 206 DL Nebraska
7 Willie Andrews 229 DB Baylor

2005

1 Logan Mankins 32 G Fresno State

3a Ellis Hobbs III 84 CB Iowa State
3b Nick Kaczur 100 T Toledo
4 James Sanders 133 S Fresno State
5 Ryan Claridge 170 OLB Nevada-Las Vegas
7a Matt Cassel 230 QB
7b Andy Stokes 255 TE William Penn

Perfect response!
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by kronik:
Wait, this thread is from the guy that wants to draft Tebow and Toby Gerhart with the 2nd and 3rd round picks!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=137777

LOL

This thread isn't FROM a guy that want's to draft Tebow & Gerhart, when did I ever say that? I could have swore I asked if YOU GUYS would be mad if we drafted Tebow & Gerhart.

Now look at how I can flip this on you: LOL This post is from a guy that can't read...

If you weren't hoping to draft Tebow and Gerhart with the 2nd & 3rd round picks, why would you make that thread? In that thread, it's easy to tell you would use those high picks on these 2 as you are continously defending it and promoting it.

LOL at you trying to backtrack now after most everyone bashing your idea.
[ Edited by kronik on Feb 10, 2010 at 11:47 AM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by kronik:
Wait, this thread is from the guy that wants to draft Tebow and Toby Gerhart with the 2nd and 3rd round picks!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=137777

LOL

This thread isn't FROM a guy that want's to draft Tebow & Gerhart, when did I ever say that? I could have swore I asked if YOU GUYS would be mad if we drafted Tebow & Gerhart.

Now look at how I can flip this on you: LOL This post is from a guy that can't read...

If you weren't hoping to draft Tebow and Gerhart with the 2nd & 3rd round picks, why would you make that thread? In that thread, it's easy to tell you would use those high picks on these 2 as you are continously defending it and promoting it.

LOL at you trying to backtrack now after most everyone bashing your idea.

Go back to that thread, and quote me in bold where it is easy to tell that I want to draft those two players.

I will do the same only I will show you where in my response to your post (over there) where I told you I didn't want to draft those players but infact wanted to see what the thoughts were here on the board.