Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.
Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run (He had 61/2 sacks)
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.
Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.
This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.
You used a lot of "buts" wich tells me that you are reaching for excuses, we lost to Seattle beacause of those "buts", we missed the playoffs because of those "buts"!
See there was a time when excuses & "but" wouldn't fly around here.
I never heard "Roger Craig had a GREAT game against the GIANTS "BUT" he fumbled", no all I heard was Roger Craig messed up everything by fumbling!
We have a O-line loaded with bust players selected in rounds 2-7! Players that don't perform are busts, players that can't beat out a bust for playing times are more than likely busts as well.
I think you missed the point of my use of the conjunction "but". See, it separates your argument from mine. Example: You see players that contribute or specialize as busts, BUT I see several years worth of drafted players that have become a core of a recent improvement and cause for realistic hope of contention.
Incidentally, good example of a player that was nominated to the Hall of Fame.
I will, however, grant you that the team has struggled to draft a championship caliber offensive line. Staley is a very good building block and Chilo Rachal is very close to proving himself to be an excellent RG, but David Baas, Adam Snyder, and Cody Wallace have underachieved so far. Yet they were the right choice at the time: David Baas was an absolute beast at Michigan and there was no reason to suspect he wouldn't be just that in the pros; Adam Snyder's versatility was coveted by several teams drafting after us, hence the trade up to get him; and Cody Wallace was an excellent prospect at Center when we were unsure of Heitmann's ability to make the transition. The point is EVERY TEAM HAS TO DEAL WITH IMPERFECT DRAFTS! Have you ever had a job where there was zero turn-over? It's the same premise. People are hired to do a job, some of them perform well and the rest are eventually purged and replaced. What you are over-looking is the fact that a significant number of the players drafted in the last four years are still performing and improving. That is a good thing.