This is hard to look at;

exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

Here comes the starter counters in 3...2...

Originally posted by glorydayz:
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

I added some guys who arent busts, when you get production from guys in the 6th round and whatever thats definitely not bust.

And it's too early to automatically label all the guys in the 2009 draft as busts

Originally posted by krizay:
Here comes the starter counters in 3...2...

You know me too well

I could be convinced that McDonald and Lawson are busts. I think they could go either way.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

I added some guys who arent busts, when you get production from guys in the 6th round and whatever thats definitely not bust.

And it's too early to automatically label all the guys in the 2009 draft as busts

about to do the same thing.
thank you

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:
Here comes the starter counters in 3...2...

You know me too well

I could be convinced that McDonald and Lawson are busts. I think they could go either way.

It just wouldn't seem right calling a player who led the team in sacks a bust, considering his key responsibilities are to cover. Lawson's next few years should be his "prime." I hope he plays like it.

Originally posted by momoney925:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

I added some guys who arent busts, when you get production from guys in the 6th round and whatever thats definitely not bust.

And it's too early to automatically label all the guys in the 2009 draft as busts

about to do the same thing.
thank you

I can see your point, even so your list still hurts. There's a lot of dead weight on this list.

Anybody starting on one of the best defenses in the league is most definitely a keeper...

2007 is looking to be one of the best drafts for this franchise in recent history. It's a bummer that Jay Moore continued to battle all those injuries, I thought he might have turned out to be a decent player.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:
Here comes the starter counters in 3...2...

You know me too well

I could be convinced that McDonald and Lawson are busts. I think they could go either way.

It just wouldn't seem right calling a player who led the team in sacks a bust, considering his key responsibilities are to cover. Lawson's next few years should be his "prime." I hope he plays like it.

Agree & hope Lawson plays well too.

You think about teams like the '07 (?) Giants who had several rookies contributing to their eventual championship. When was the last time we could say we even had several rookies playing in one year? I'm definitely not of the MCCLUELESS!!!111 crowd but he does seem to draft a lot of guys who don't seem to be ready for prime time (and in fact a couple years away) just yet.

With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
exceptional non-bust players in bold:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 146 Scott McKillop LB Pittsburgh
5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 219 Curtis Taylor DB Louisiana State
7 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT Louisiana State
2008 - San Francisco 49ers

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC
3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M
6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech
7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State

2007 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State
3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida
4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska
4 126 Dashon Goldson SAF Washington
4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida
5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas
6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State

2006 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State
5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee
6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State
6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State
6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State
7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas

2005 - San Francisco 49ers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah
2 33 David Baas G Michigan
3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.)
3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon
5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State
5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia
6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington
7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati
7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon
7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia
7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State

I added some guys who arent busts, when you get production from guys in the 6th round and whatever thats definitely not bust.

And it's too early to automatically label all the guys in the 2009 draft as busts

this.

Originally posted by Karma:
With all due respect, calling most of those players busts is just stupid. The 49ers, just like every other team not owned by Al Davis, puts thousands of hours into scouting players and then uses that information to draft players according to athletic potential and specific personnel needs. Sometimes a player selected lives up to or surpasses that potential; sometimes a player selected underachieves for a multitude of reasons. Your personal reasoning is that if a player doesn't make the pro-bowl, they are a bust. This is frustratingly unrealistic. Yes, we can all agree that Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, and Frank Gore were great selections. We can add Joe Staley and Josh Morgan to the list of good picks because they have either been cosistent or played better than their draft selection. But there are quite a few players that you labeled "busts" that play well and contribute to the teams past successes and (hopefully) future contention.

Manny Lawson: Lead the team in sacks, excels in pass coverage, and was a huge factor in this team's success against the run
Parys Haralson: No, he is not Lawrence Taylor, but he plays with a trmendous motor and is, at the very least, a decently consistent pass rusher.
Ray McDonald: He is one of the few DEs on this team with legitimate pass rush skills. He is probably better suited for the 4-3, or at least his numbers would be better, but he does a fantastic job in the DL rotation.
Delanie Walker: As a 6th round back-up TE, he was an excellent pick. True, he has not been as much of a factor in the passing game as we had hoped, but he requires more attention from opposing defenses than just about any other back-up TE in the league. I also have a feeling he will have a career year next year now that we have some continuity at OC.
Michael Robinson: No, he is not a great RB, but he is great at picking up the blitz in the backfield, he is a decent receiver, and a special teams all-star. He is one of the best players in the league at 1/3rd of the game (ST). Can we please stop calling for him to be cut?
Billy Bajema: Yes, he is not with the team anymore, but he provided above average blocking for 4 years. As a 7th round pick, that makes him a good selection.
Chilo Rachal: Yes, his play has been spotty, but we saw him improve through the second half of last year. He is poised to take a big step this year.
Dashon Goldson: Started slowly, but the player we saw at the end of the year will only get better with experience under his belt. This kid is going to be, at the least, a very solid starter for years to come, whether he is at FS or SS.
Tarell Brown: He had a rough year, but he showed that he can be a very good CB with more consistency. Not bad for the 5th round.
Glen Coffee: No, he was not Ladanian Tomlinson in his rookie year, but that's not why we drafted him. He runs hard and picks-up the blitz exceptionally well. He will become a better runner with the ball, but you have to remember that he got most of his carries when the entire offense was sputtering. Other teams knew that all we were going to do was run, so he was running into 8,9, and even 10 man boxes. Once Alex Smith stepped in and opened up the opposition's defense, he wasn't getting many carries.

Then you astutely called players that haven't gotten the chance to play much as busts: Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, and even Reggie Smith.

This team is headed in the right direction, and a major reason is that we have drafted reasonably well. Now THAT is not hard to look at.

To be fair I wouldn't call it stupid. It is actually ignorant.

Agreed, ignorant threads are hard to look at.