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Feb 2, 2010 at 8:27 AM
- Jamespowers
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I think you are right on man, my feelings exactly and prolly most fans. Covers our needs there.
Feb 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM
- ninertico
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Nice synopsis!
I agree about Bulaga, but I really do think you are incorrect about Williams' work ethic and desire. He is renowned for that. In fact, most draftnik articles I read say he's has the most "character" of those OTs striving to work beyond his means like Justin Smith does for DT. I agree Bulaga would be the better versatile OL because he can play both RT and LT with the same skill level.
However, Williams is the best ROT, period hands down, but not as good at LT than Bulaga. Still, I believe that Williams as ROT starts immediately with solid production whereas Bulaga, IMO, would need more seasoning. Williams was a solid beast week in and week out at RT for Oklahoma, that much is certain. Either one would make me happy!
That second pick in the round is the big question mark, huh? Still, we have a great chance to landing another immediate impact starter with it. I can see Spiller starting and exploding at RS and 3rd down back able to play slot or edge as WR. I can see Iupati starting in place of Baas allowing us to have the youngest and strongest starting OL in some time.
In the secondary, I can see E. Thomas start at nickle or dime surpassing T. Brown and R. Smith for the role, but I don't see him unseating Goldson or Lewis, yet.
On the DL and pass rushers, I can see D. Williams taking snaps away from Frankin, but not enough to surpass him. Also, I can see JPP, C. Dunlop and Graham coming in to compete and be third down specialists with Brooks to start, but not take Parys or Mannys spot yet.
Given where we are at S, pass rusher and CB, I think we will draft for these based on BPA.
I really do believe now that ROT will be one of the first two, period. After that, roll those lucky sevens!!!
I agree about Bulaga, but I really do think you are incorrect about Williams' work ethic and desire. He is renowned for that. In fact, most draftnik articles I read say he's has the most "character" of those OTs striving to work beyond his means like Justin Smith does for DT. I agree Bulaga would be the better versatile OL because he can play both RT and LT with the same skill level.
However, Williams is the best ROT, period hands down, but not as good at LT than Bulaga. Still, I believe that Williams as ROT starts immediately with solid production whereas Bulaga, IMO, would need more seasoning. Williams was a solid beast week in and week out at RT for Oklahoma, that much is certain. Either one would make me happy!
That second pick in the round is the big question mark, huh? Still, we have a great chance to landing another immediate impact starter with it. I can see Spiller starting and exploding at RS and 3rd down back able to play slot or edge as WR. I can see Iupati starting in place of Baas allowing us to have the youngest and strongest starting OL in some time.
In the secondary, I can see E. Thomas start at nickle or dime surpassing T. Brown and R. Smith for the role, but I don't see him unseating Goldson or Lewis, yet.
On the DL and pass rushers, I can see D. Williams taking snaps away from Frankin, but not enough to surpass him. Also, I can see JPP, C. Dunlop and Graham coming in to compete and be third down specialists with Brooks to start, but not take Parys or Mannys spot yet.
Given where we are at S, pass rusher and CB, I think we will draft for these based on BPA.
I really do believe now that ROT will be one of the first two, period. After that, roll those lucky sevens!!!
Feb 2, 2010 at 11:02 AM
- m_brockalexander
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Choices, choices, choices......
I would add Brandon Graham to your first round list after his great Senior season plus his Senior Bowl performance.
The second round willl still be loaded with talent but I would narrow my focus to the CB/KR's in Arenas and Wilson or D. McCluster.
Apparently you are high on the idea of getting a QB in the 3rd round if McCoy, LeFavour or Snead is available. If they are there at that point, I wouldn't be pissed if we picked up a McCoy or Snead. I would add a good OG at this point in M. Johnson Alabama or John Jerry Ole Miss in this round if the QB's aren't there.
Fourth round would be nice to pickup the best safety available.
I would add Brandon Graham to your first round list after his great Senior season plus his Senior Bowl performance.
The second round willl still be loaded with talent but I would narrow my focus to the CB/KR's in Arenas and Wilson or D. McCluster.
Apparently you are high on the idea of getting a QB in the 3rd round if McCoy, LeFavour or Snead is available. If they are there at that point, I wouldn't be pissed if we picked up a McCoy or Snead. I would add a good OG at this point in M. Johnson Alabama or John Jerry Ole Miss in this round if the QB's aren't there.
Fourth round would be nice to pickup the best safety available.
Feb 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM
- Gore_21
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Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Choices, choices, choices......
I would add Brandon Graham to your first round list after his great Senior season plus his Senior Bowl performance.
The second round willl still be loaded with talent but I would narrow my focus to the CB/KR's in Arenas and Wilson or D. McCluster.
Apparently you are high on the idea of getting a QB in the 3rd round if McCoy, LeFavour or Snead is available. If they are there at that point, I wouldn't be pissed if we picked up a McCoy or Snead. I would add a good OG at this point in M. Johnson Alabama or John Jerry Ole Miss in this round if the QB's aren't there.
Fourth round would be nice to pickup the best safety available.
I hope we don't pick up a QB at all. I wouldn't touch Tony Pike. Also Jerry, Michael Johnson in the 3rd would be great.
Feb 2, 2010 at 7:15 PM
- tohara3
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Originally posted by Jamespowers:
I think you are right on man, my feelings exactly and prolly most fans. Covers our needs there.
Agree nice post.
Feb 2, 2010 at 8:23 PM
- smileyman
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Originally posted by Gore_21:
I hope we don't pick up a QB at all. I wouldn't touch Tony Pike. Also Jerry, Michael Johnson in the 3rd would be great.
Tony Pike will be a good QB in the league, mark my words. I wouldn't want to pick one up until at least the 5th round.
Feb 2, 2010 at 8:49 PM
- 49wyztoscore
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I like it. Definitely McCluster in the second if he is there.
Feb 2, 2010 at 9:02 PM
- PatrickJira411
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Thank you for the feedback and positive comments.
Let me ask you guys this, lets say somehow both Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga are available at 13, who would you take? Ill also say this, if Bulaga, Davis and of course Okung are gone by the time we pick, I don't think it is worth reaching on an OT and yes I think Trent Williams is a bit of a reach/risk at 13 or 16-17.
Let me ask you guys this, lets say somehow both Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga are available at 13, who would you take? Ill also say this, if Bulaga, Davis and of course Okung are gone by the time we pick, I don't think it is worth reaching on an OT and yes I think Trent Williams is a bit of a reach/risk at 13 or 16-17.
Feb 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM
- 49wyztoscore
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Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Thank you for the feedback and positive comments.
Let me ask you guys this, lets say somehow both Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga are available at 13, who would you take? Ill also say this, if Bulaga, Davis and of course Okung are gone by the time we pick, I don't think it is worth reaching on an OT and yes I think Trent Williams is a bit of a reach/risk at 13 or 16-17.
I think Williams would be too if he were to play LT but I think he would fit just right at RT.
Feb 3, 2010 at 10:40 AM
- ninertico
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Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Thank you for the feedback and positive comments.
Let me ask you guys this, lets say somehow both Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga are available at 13, who would you take? Ill also say this, if Bulaga, Davis and of course Okung are gone by the time we pick, I don't think it is worth reaching on an OT and yes I think Trent Williams is a bit of a reach/risk at 13 or 16-17.
I am curious. Why do you think Williams is a reach when the average placement I have seen for this kid is around the teens especially given his production in college as a RT.
Given, I see Bulaga as a better all around tackle prospect, but I just don't see him now getting to us at #13. Either one would be fine with me.
At #13, I would choose in this order if Bulaga and Davis are not there:
Top Ten
Haden--Don't think he will drop, but could given needs.
Spiller--I think this guys slips out of the top 10 still
JPP--Lethal as a pass rusher who could immediately improve the squad but raw
Top15
Iupati--In terms of ability, sheer power and strength, and versatility he's the best OL, but raw
T. Williams--Best ROT prospect with versatility to play LT if need be
Thomas--Center fielder who would move to FS and Goldson to SS.
D. Williams--Best NT prospect who could give Franklin a run for his money
Graham--Just a monster off the line even at around 6 foot.
Dunlop--After combine, he will be in the mix
Still Pat, you have to admit that is one nice list to choose from either way we cut it and we get two of those bad boys!!!
Feb 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM
- PatrickJira411
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I will also throw out Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech as a possibility in the 2nd rd if he is available. At 6'0" 235pds he would give us the big, bruising back Singletary craves? Plus he could play some FB and we could have him and Gore in the backfield at the same time. Just throwing it out there....
I see PFW has us taking Jimmy Clausen. I seriously, seriously doubt he would fall that far but I would take him if im the 49ers but I wouldn't touch Sam Bradford with either of our 1st rd picks and I wouldn't touch Tebow at all, not even with our 3rd or 4th rd pick, maybe a 5th or 6th rd pick but obviously he will be gone by then.
I got a question for you guys, would you rather have Javier Arenas or Dexter McCluster in the 2nd rd?
I see PFW has us taking Jimmy Clausen. I seriously, seriously doubt he would fall that far but I would take him if im the 49ers but I wouldn't touch Sam Bradford with either of our 1st rd picks and I wouldn't touch Tebow at all, not even with our 3rd or 4th rd pick, maybe a 5th or 6th rd pick but obviously he will be gone by then.
I got a question for you guys, would you rather have Javier Arenas or Dexter McCluster in the 2nd rd?
Feb 5, 2010 at 1:40 AM
- TheGoldDiggerrrr
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Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I will also throw out Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech as a possibility in the 2nd rd if he is available. At 6'0" 235pds he would give us the big, bruising back Singletary craves? Plus he could play some FB and we could have him and Gore in the backfield at the same time. Just throwing it out there....
I see PFW has us taking Jimmy Clausen. I seriously, seriously doubt he would fall that far but I would take him if im the 49ers but I wouldn't touch Sam Bradford with either of our 1st rd picks and I wouldn't touch Tebow at all, not even with our 3rd or 4th rd pick, maybe a 5th or 6th rd pick but obviously he will be gone by then.
I got a question for you guys, would you rather have Javier Arenas or Dexter McCluster in the 2nd rd?
Means we can finally get rid of Micheal robertson...
Feb 5, 2010 at 5:19 AM
- tohara3
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Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Thank you for the feedback and positive comments.
Let me ask you guys this, lets say somehow both Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga are available at 13, who would you take? Ill also say this, if Bulaga, Davis and of course Okung are gone by the time we pick, I don't think it is worth reaching on an OT and yes I think Trent Williams is a bit of a reach/risk at 13 or 16-17.
I am curious. Why do you think Williams is a reach when the average placement I have seen for this kid is around the teens especially given his production in college as a RT.
Given, I see Bulaga as a better all around tackle prospect, but I just don't see him now getting to us at #13. Either one would be fine with me.
At #13, I would choose in this order if Bulaga and Davis are not there:
Top Ten
Haden--Don't think he will drop, but could given needs.
Spiller--I think this guys slips out of the top 10 still
JPP--Lethal as a pass rusher who could immediately improve the squad but raw
Top15
Iupati--In terms of ability, sheer power and strength, and versatility he's the best OL, but raw
T. Williams--Best ROT prospect with versatility to play LT if need be
Thomas--Center fielder who would move to FS and Goldson to SS.
D. Williams--Best NT prospect who could give Franklin a run for his money
Graham--Just a monster off the line even at around 6 foot.
Dunlop--After combine, he will be in the mix
Still Pat, you have to admit that is one nice list to choose from either way we cut it and we get two of those bad boys!!!
Agree, we are gonna have a choice of two very good players in the 1st round. Hopefully we can get three starters in rounds one & two.
Feb 5, 2010 at 7:19 AM
- KezarLivin
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Good post, a great read! So many things can happen on draft day that it is nice you've taken the "if not/then" approach to your mock. I'll be interested to see if you change it around a bit after the combine!
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