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What should we do in the first round?

Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
I'd love to see a lineman and a game-changer. I would crap my pants if somehow we landed Iupati and Spiller. Then in FA, go after a tackle....preferably one without an injury history like Marvel Smith and Jonas Jennings.

I'd rather get a tackle in the draft and a guard in free agency. A QUALITY tackle in free agency would be very pricey, whereas a solid guard would be much cheaper. That is why we end up with players like Marvel Smith, because we have to go with the discount RT's and we end up getting screwed. It's time to draft an OT in the first round.

Good idea. I'd like a top flight rookie at RT... We can get a get 1 or 2 quality Guards in FA and not break da bank..
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.
Bulaga and Graham.
if you got two 1strounders and your team isnt as s**tty as the rams or the lions, then you are allowed to got for a bpa/playmaker with one of the two.
of course we need some upgrade on our o-line but if we can get a playmaker or a raw diamond for a position, which will be a need in the future, then we have to pull the trigger for him.
we can get a guard in FA or in later rounds either...ducasse or pouncey could be available in the 2nd.
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What I want:

Earl Thomas - Iupati/Williams/Ducasse/Campbell/Anthony Davis

What McCloughan probably will do:

CJ Spiller - Iupati/Williams/Ducasse/Campbell/Anthony Davis or Brandon Graham

CJ Spiller adds a completely new dimension to this offense and Special Teams, which pretty equals....playmaker, which McCloughan loves.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.
[ Edited by Paul_Hofer on Jan 27, 2010 at 8:20 PM ]
SPILLER WOULD NOT "JUST" BE A RETURN SPECIALIST!!!
i'm so tired of hearing this. why cant ppl get it thru their thick skulls.
as a returner he will likely get 5-8 touches per game.
as a change of pace back he will likely get another 5-8.
that alone would make him second to only a.smith and f.gore in terms of touches.
now let's not also forget to factor in that
SPILLER WILL LIKELY BE THE STARTER or at least get nearly half the carries
from the RB spot for the at least 2 or 3 games gore is likely to miss each year.
FACT: RBs get dinged and go down.
we've been lucky to have frank as healthy as he has been but can you imagine
the impact it would have on our season if (heaven forbid) gore sustained
a significant injury early in the year and all we had was coffee for 14 games?
how does a playoff berth look then? do you really want to put it all on gore
when there are some things he cant control like a freak injury?
PLAYOFFS OR BUST IN 2010. we MUST have some insurance and coffee aint it.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.
you "spiller would just be a returner"-guys start to annoy me...sing and raye wont send him on the field for some returns only. stop bringing this annoying "argument".
13. Jason Pierre-Paul

16/17. Mike Iupati
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.

Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft. What in the world has you thinking he's just a return specialist???? Did you not even read the previous posts about teams that are serious about running the football (like our team says they are) having 2 legitimate RBs (see Carolina selecting Stewart 13th overall when they already had Williams)??? Come on bro, keep up.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.

Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft. What in the world has you thinking he's just a return specialist???? Did you not even read the previous posts about teams that are serious about running the football (like our team says they are) having 2 legitimate RBs (see Carolina selecting Stewart 13th overall when they already had Williams)??? Come on bro, keep up.

Spiller would be good. We could use him.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.

I'm with you, Ghost. Spiller would be a great weapon on offense and returning kicks. Does this mean I don't get to see Battle returning punts anymore? Damn!
I see how teams mess drafts up. For my money i'm going OT and OG in this draft.
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.

Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft. What in the world has you thinking he's just a return specialist???? Did you not even read the previous posts about teams that are serious about running the football (like our team says they are) having 2 legitimate RBs (see Carolina selecting Stewart 13th overall when they already had Williams)??? Come on bro, keep up.

But Carolina was a two back running team before they drafted Stewart. They was with Foster and Stephen Davis. Foster and DeAngelo Williams. Now Williams and Stewart. They drafted to what they do. Same with Dallas with J.Jones and Barber. Then replacing J.Jones with F. Jones. They drafted to what they do.

That is not what we do. I understand your argument is going to be Sing WANTS to be a running team. That doesn't however mean it includes a 2 back system. If it did our backups this year would have had more carries in trying to instill his philosophy.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???


Because it's the position he plays if a kicker could kick 5o yd field goals everytime accuraly and can also kick up to 60 yds hwould be one of greatest all time but u still won't use a top 10 pick

Precisely my point.

But, for the Niners, Spiller would be a return specialist. He'll see few plays as a RB. So you should compare a guard's value vs. a return specialist's value. Guard wins.

Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft. What in the world has you thinking he's just a return specialist???? Did you not even read the previous posts about teams that are serious about running the football (like our team says they are) having 2 legitimate RBs (see Carolina selecting Stewart 13th overall when they already had Williams)??? Come on bro, keep up.

But Carolina was a two back running team before they drafted Stewart. They was with Foster and Stephen Davis. Foster and DeAngelo Williams. Now Williams and Stewart. They drafted to what they do. Same with Dallas with J.Jones and Barber. Then replacing J.Jones with F. Jones. They drafted to what they do.

That is not what we do. I understand your argument is going to be Sing WANTS to be a running team. That doesn't however mean it includes a 2 back system. If it did our backups this year would have had more carries in trying to instill his philosophy.

I tend to agree with you on this. I think the Jets - Giants philosophy is the best route to take. We already have an established Pro Bowl running back find complimentary backs with your mid round picks.