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McCloughan Report Card: Drafting for OT vs OG/C

I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......
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Originally posted by jimbagg:
I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......

Not enough data to say he can or can't draft either position. Staley, Rachal and Wallace (i think) our the only 3 HE has drafted. that's 1 at each position.
Lets hope he gets better at this in this draft.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......

Not enough data to say he can or can't draft either position. Staley, Rachal and Wallace (i think) our the only 3 HE has drafted. that's 1 at each position.

Just looking at this it makes you wonder how in the world can a team with such a lame o line have only drafted 1 OT under Scott. Is that accurate? Is so that's a serious problem. It means the GM isn't in sync with the team and what's going on on the field.

Anyway I agree with krizay that there isn't enough to look at to say he's better at drafting OT's over the interior lineman. So far looks like he stinks at drafting lineman period.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......

Not enough data to say he can or can't draft either position. Staley, Rachal and Wallace (i think) our the only 3 HE has drafted. that's 1 at each position.

Just looking at this it makes you wonder how in the world can a team with such a lame o line have only drafted 1 OT under Scott. Is that accurate? Is so that's a serious problem. It means the GM isn't in sync with the team and what's going on on the field.

Anyway I agree with krizay that there isn't enough to look at to say he's better at drafting OT's over the interior lineman. So far looks like he stinks at drafting lineman period.

2nded.

Also getting Solari to help pick might improve things! You can bet he is looking at past type and trying to find the major weak points/areas he can help the line improve!
Yes, it's true. In 5 years (2005 draft thru 2009 draft), McCloughan has drafted the grand total of one (1) player, who was targeted to be an NFL OT - Staley in 2007. That includes ALL ROUNDS of the draft, not just Day 1 picks. Hard to believe that an OT was the BPA on the board for only 1 out of the 40-45 picks available during that 5-year period!

Moreover, the only other OL drafted THIS DECADE (before McNolan) were Smiley (Round 2) in '04, Harris (Round 1) in '03 and both Heitrmann and Kosier (Round 7 picks) in '02. And fans wonder why this club has been mediocre for the last 7 years!
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Originally posted by jimbagg:
Yes, it's true. In 5 years (2005 draft thru 2009 draft), McCloughan has drafted the grand total of one (1) player, who was targeted to be an NFL OT - Staley in 2007. That includes ALL ROUNDS of the draft, not just Day 1 picks. Hard to believe that an OT was the BPA on the board for only 1 out of the 40-45 picks available during that 5-year period!

Moreover, the only other OL drafted THIS DECADE (before McNolan) were Smiley (Round 2) in '04, Harris (Round 1) in '03 and both Heitrmann and Kosier (Round 7 picks) in '02. And fans wonder why this club has been mediocre for the last 7 years!

The Niners have only drafted 3 offensive linemen in the first round in the last 30 years.

Joe Staley (28 in 2007), Kwame Harris (26 in 2003), and Harris Barton (22 in 1987).

In 1968 we spent a 1st round pick on C Forest Blue (15 overall). That's it. 4 offensive linemen in the first round going back to 1950 (which is when they started keeping records).
Originally posted by jimbagg:
I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......

To the Wallace point its kind of why Coffee never gets many yards behind Gore. or why if we pick an ILB he wont be playing much as long as Willis and Spikes are on the team. We have an established starter whos not going to be moved unless an injury to Hietmann.

on the Rachal comment. I just dont see how he regressed in 09. infact id say he started to get his feet under him the last half of the season. If you look at any of Gore's long runs and focus in on Rachal you see him absolutely manhandling and blowing his guy off the line. im not talking one or two times im talking everytime u see Gore run a huge one either behind Rachal pulling or from the right side. The man will be a beast.
Originally posted by jimbagg:
Yes, it's true. In 5 years (2005 draft thru 2009 draft), McCloughan has drafted the grand total of one (1) player, who was targeted to be an NFL OT - Staley in 2007. That includes ALL ROUNDS of the draft, not just Day 1 picks. Hard to believe that an OT was the BPA on the board for only 1 out of the 40-45 picks available during that 5-year period!

Moreover, the only other OL drafted THIS DECADE (before McNolan) were Smiley (Round 2) in '04, Harris (Round 1) in '03 and both Heitrmann and Kosier (Round 7 picks) in '02. And fans wonder why this club has been mediocre for the last 7 years!

Dam and I laugh at Skins fans b/c they never draft o lineman and build from the trenches. Guess I can't laugh at them anymore about that. That's pretty bad. Good info as always
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
I touched on this in the Rachal thread on Niner Talk, but wanted to give the draft-savvy in this forum, a chance to comment on the following observations and conclusion.

Conclusion: McCloughan is a better draft evaluator for the NFL OT position versus the NFL OG/C interior OL positions. And if that is true, why hasn't McCloughan drafted more players for the NFL OT position over the years?

Supported by these observations:

Players drafted to be NFL OT:
Staley - has worked out well so far

Players drafted to be NFL interior OL (OG/C):
Baas - oft-injured, inconsistent
Snyder - LT in college, but drafted as a NFL OG, versatile, slow of foot
Wallace - who knows, he never dresses, bust?
Rachal - regressed in 2009, still raw and under-developed

McCloughan has been famously quoted as saying, "You can get guards", when explaining why he declined to be pay FA OG Smiley (drafted before McCoughan's watch). That's not evident given this draft record.

Scott, how about a true NFL OT (or 2) in this upcoming draft? Maybe let Solari call the shot on whomever the club targets for NFL OG/C. Just sayin'.......

To the Wallace point its kind of why Coffee never gets many yards behind Gore. or why if we pick an ILB he wont be playing much as long as Willis and Spikes are on the team. We have an established starter whos not going to be moved unless an injury to Hietmann.

on the Rachal comment. I just dont see how he regressed in 09. infact id say he started to get his feet under him the last half of the season. If you look at any of Gore's long runs and focus in on Rachal you see him absolutely manhandling and blowing his guy off the line. im not talking one or two times im talking everytime u see Gore run a huge one either behind Rachal pulling or from the right side. The man will be a beast.

Rachal stats actually show very well for a 2yr guy

Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2008 SF 8 6 0 0 0 0 1.00 7.00
2009 SF 16 15 2 15 1 1 4.00 23.00
Totals 24 21 2 15 1 1 5.00 30.00