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Whats with this 0G talk...do we really need to draft one!?

I look at this season and remember quite a few times, we got tossed around on the right side of the line. But most of which happened on the offensive tackle position. The few times i remember it happening on the OG is earlier on in the season when we were running it like crazy, or when alex drops back on a three step drop and doesn't get the ball out or when playing against probowl talent like Darnell Dockett and others.

But anyways the point is...we have talent at the OG position. And if u want an immediate upgrade at guard you go get a free agent. Why waste a top pick on a potential bench player for the 2010 season?! IMO, if coached right both starting guards for the 49ers can be solid from here on out. The position that needs to be corrected is right tackle...like immediately!
We have talent at Guard? Who?
Baas=















Wragge=
I think Iputai would be only guy I would draft for our o-line unless we draft a guy later to try & take a roster spot.
Bobbie Williams and a mid round selection is the direction we should take. Williams is an absolute mauling guard for the Bengals a team captain and the only time he's missed was from having his appendix removed.

Not against taking Iupati but I am against taking 2 1st round lineman. There's other priorities and there's just something wrong with having 5 top 40 picks in 6 years and a still average line.
well....garbage lol...i don't think it is at all that bad. But free agency if anything would be the way to go for the guard position. There is way to much talent in this draft in other need positions, to worry about guard at a high point in the draft.
Originally posted by thaakingd:
well....garbage lol...i don't think it is at all that bad. But free agency if anything would be the way to go for the guard position. There is way to much talent in this draft in other need positions, to worry about guard at a high point in the draft.

Dat you Scott?

And with no cba, there is FA in FA
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bobbie Williams and a mid round selection is the direction we should take. Williams is an absolute mauling guard for the Bengals a team captain and the only time he's missed was from having his appendix removed.

Not against taking Iupati but I am against taking 2 1st round lineman. There's other priorities and there's just something wrong with having 5 top 40 picks in 6 years and a still average line.

Cosigned. I wouldn't kill myself if we took Iupati, we could have a sick OLine, but I still want another player like Brandon Graham, Earl Thomas, CJ Spiller, etc... And we need a RT way more than a LG.
Its basically a process of elimination.

We have WR talent we can develop, we have a running back, we have TE's, nobody wants to trade up for a quarterback, our defense has played great, its obvious we need a RT, but we have TWO first round picks, and as long as a guard is WORTH the value, it might be a good idea. Especially when you consider the type of offense we want to run.
Scotty had better fix this line early in the draft, and that means at tackle AND guard, or this offense will fail and he will be fired. He better not take the "guard is an overrated position" attitude, or think that he can pick up a starter in FA, cuz he most likely will be wrong.

First round talent at guard and tackle will help this offense tremendously imo.
We fans usually have a much different perspective on these things than does the coaching staff and team management (McCloughan, etc.). If it were up to most of us here, Aubrayo Franklin wouldn't have been starting this year, Ahmad Brooks wouldn't have been re-signed after we cut him and Dashon Goldson would've been released after not doing much in his brief playing time last year. Fans have ZERO patience when it comes to the development process...thankfully, coaches realize that it sometimes takes players a year or two to really "get it."

Though they've been with our team for different lengths of time, this was actually the first year both of our guards were NFL starters for the entire season. Unless young players absolutely stink up the joint (which neither did), you generally don't give up on them after their first year as a starter, especially guys like Rachal who came out a year early and is still learning how to play the position at the professional level. Anyone can see that the raw talent and work ethic is there for Rachal, he just needs time and experience to take his game to the next level.

Now, Baas is obviously a different story in that he's 28 and has been around for awhile. He just may not ever "get it," and we should be planning on his potential replacement. However, does it really make sense to invest a mid-1st rounder on that person? Again, without the new CBA in place, Baas will be relatively cheap, and more importantly, he'll be playing for a unrestricted free agent contract next season. With his first full season under his belt, I have a feeling Baas will be a much better player for us than he was last year (see Franklin and Goldson).

IMO, we give Baas a low tender and start him again at LG, start Rachal at RG, keep Wragge as the main backup along the interior and use the 2nd-4th to draft another OG to eventually replace Baas should he not want to re-sign here.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 15, 2010 at 17:49:51 ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
We fans usually have a much different perspective on these things than does the coaching staff and team management (McCloughan, etc.). If it were up to most of us here, Aubrayo Franklin wouldn't have been starting this year, Ahmad Brooks wouldn't have been re-signed after we cut him and Dashon Goldson would've been released after not doing much in his brief playing time last year. Fans have ZERO patience when it comes to the development process...thankfully, coaches realize that it sometimes takes players a year or two to really "get it."

Though they've been with our team for different lengths of time, this was actually the first year both of our guards were NFL starters for the entire season. Unless young players absolutely stink up the joint (which neither did), you generally don't give up on them after their first year as a starter, especially guys like Rachal who came out a year early and is still learning how to play the position at the professional level. Anyone can see that the raw talent and work ethic is there for Rachal, he just needs time and experience to take his game to the next level.

Now, Baas is obviously a different story in that he's 28 and has been around for awhile. He just may not ever "get it," and we should be planning on his potential replacement. However, does it really make sense to invest a mid-1st rounder on that person? Again, without the new CBA in place, Baas will be relatively cheap, and more importantly, he'll be playing for a unrestricted free agent contract next season. With his first full season under his belt, I have a feeling he'll be a much better player for us than he was last year (see Franklin and Goldson).

IMO, we give Baas a low tender and start him again at LG, start Rachal at RG, keep Wragge as the main backup along the interior and use the 2nd-4th to draft another OG to eventually replace Baas should he not want to re-sign here.

Great post and it makes a lot of sense to me. I would love to get Spiller and any the top OTs (Williams, Bulaga, Davis) and then a pass rusher in round 2. Drafting 2 OL is certainly intriguing but I think this team needs SPEED and a game breaker more than it needs an OG in round 1.
^^ I couldn't agree with you more John about the speed factor. If we were able to snag an OT and a guy like Spiller in the 1st round, it would change the complexity of our offense. We could then add an OG like Jon Asamoah in the 2nd, or a Mitch Petrus in the 3rd or possibly a Sergio Render in the 4th and still have excellent depth along the line.

As much as I like Iupati, I'm just not convinced it's the right course of action to draft two mid-1st round lineman (one interior) when the situation really isn't as dire as it's being portrayed. I liken it to our pass rush situation this year...it's not perfect and we could still use talent, but everyone (me included) thought it was going to be the absolute weakest part of the team. Turns out, we actually had some talent there and they developed much better than people expected.

I think that's the situation with our two guards.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 15, 2010 at 18:29:14 ]
It's way too early to give up on Chio, and it looks like Baas will be back be back next year. That being said I do think we need to bring in someone who can at least push these two and overtake one of them if they prove to be the better player.
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