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If Arenas is there in 3 and we haven't taken Haden or any other DB, then we might be pushed to pass up on him, I don't really see him going in R1 though.
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.
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I want Mardy Gilyard (spelling?) to fall to us in the 2nd.

We need help at WR and Kick and Punt Returner--He would give us help in each area.
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Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by obx49:
Javier Arenas is another first round prospect that will be there in the second round. I would be elated if we were to land Arenas who would fill two immediate needs.

His return skills increase his value a lot, but he's tiny for a CB. I see him more as a mid-round guy.

Antoine Winfield from Minnesota (formerly of Buffalo) has a similar build and he's lasted over 11 years and was a pro bowl player. Sometimes the skills outweighs the physical talents.

I have never seen Arenas compared to Winfield before until you just did that, and personally, I don't see the comparison.
I like the sound of Arenas and here are a couple other guys that I would not mind see sliding:

Brandon Graham DE Michigan - maybe if he runs slow at the combine

Donovan Warren CB Michigan - he could be there

Patrick Robinson CB Florida State - I think he will be gone
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste

That's the nature of drafting. Not everyone can be a 1st rounder and not every player is envisioned as an immediate starter. Some guys have impressive skills and potential, but they just aren't seen as someone who is ready to be thrown directly into the mix.

There are plenty of successful QBs taken after the 1st and they probably were not seen as franchise QBs when they came out either.
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste

That's the nature of drafting. Not everyone can be a 1st rounder and not every player is envisioned as an immediate starter. Some guys have impressive skills and potential, but they just aren't seen as someone who is ready to be thrown directly into the mix.

There are plenty of successful QBs taken after the 1st and they probably were not seen as franchise QBs when they came out either.

I guess what I was implying, is that if you don't want the guy in the first, you probably don't think he's a franchise QB, so isn't a 2nd round pick too high for someone you don't see as a franchise QB? But no, I do see what you mean. I guess I'm just not a McCoy fan.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste

That's the nature of drafting. Not everyone can be a 1st rounder and not every player is envisioned as an immediate starter. Some guys have impressive skills and potential, but they just aren't seen as someone who is ready to be thrown directly into the mix.

There are plenty of successful QBs taken after the 1st and they probably were not seen as franchise QBs when they came out either.

I guess what I was implying, is that if you don't want the guy in the first, you probably don't think he's a franchise QB, so isn't a 2nd round pick too high for someone you don't see as a franchise QB? But no, I do see what you mean. I guess I'm just not a McCoy fan.

I'm not a McCoy fan either. I think the team really made him look good. Shipley was as good of a safety valve as you could expect in college football. I'm just weary of him. He's never really blown me away as a passer.
1st rounders should play in the starting line up from day one...I dont think McCoy should be a starter right away. He has potential that needs time to be realized. This makes him a bargain in the second for a team that doesnt need to start him this year, but a reach in the first for any team that needs a starter now. Since we are starting Smith, if he is there in the second, I would love to have McCoy and Davis on the bench learning as insurance for when/if Smith proves he can't hack it at the NFL level once and for all.
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste

That's the nature of drafting. Not everyone can be a 1st rounder and not every player is envisioned as an immediate starter. Some guys have impressive skills and potential, but they just aren't seen as someone who is ready to be thrown directly into the mix.

There are plenty of successful QBs taken after the 1st and they probably were not seen as franchise QBs when they came out either.

There is a lot of talent to be had for our first three picks, and if picked right they could take us to the next level. I would prefer to take three guys with more potential with those picks, then if we really need a QB next season we can use a first (if Alex and Nate don't pan out).

I have read that Nate was considered a 2nd round talent until the disability thing came out, since Nate has been in the system a year I reckon they McCoy would be the same as Nate is now, so IMO it would be a waste.
I just think Smith+ Davis is to risky to be content with. This is only if McCoy takes a hypothetical free fall...being the only first round worth QB left when we pick. Ideally I would like someone who could start at passrusher or or Guard in this spot, and take a guy like Pike from Cincy in round 3 to shore up the QB. But just dont think you can pass up any first round worthy talent at QB in the mid second if your the 49ers....well unless he is Tebow.
Originally posted by kunged:
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am hearing Colt McCoy has a chance to drop like a stone well into the second round. To me with our current QB situation. If by some miracle he is there we have to take him. He is by no mean who I want in the first round...but in the second...where we pick, he is a steal.

If you dont' want him in the 1st, it likely means you don't see him as a franchise QB. So why get him at all? A late round guy with potential is one thing, but spending a 2nd rounder on someone that doesn't really have the physical tools to make it at the next level seems like a waste

That's the nature of drafting. Not everyone can be a 1st rounder and not every player is envisioned as an immediate starter. Some guys have impressive skills and potential, but they just aren't seen as someone who is ready to be thrown directly into the mix.

There are plenty of successful QBs taken after the 1st and they probably were not seen as franchise QBs when they came out either.

There is a lot of talent to be had for our first three picks, and if picked right they could take us to the next level. I would prefer to take three guys with more potential with those picks, then if we really need a QB next season we can use a first (if Alex and Nate don't pan out).

I have read that Nate was considered a 2nd round talent until the disability thing came out, since Nate has been in the system a year I reckon they McCoy would be the same as Nate is now, so IMO it would be a waste.

I kind of agree. However, I remember Eagles fans being irrate that Reid drafted Kolb in the 2nd. All the draft analysts laughed at the move and considered it a horrible pick because it wasn't a need for them. On the other hand, as soon as McNabb went down and Kolb came in and played well for them, everyone was praising Reid and the organization for having the forsight to Kolb.

Quality depth is essential at the QB position. I hope Davis is the guy, but another QB wouldn't hurt. They're only going to make each other better.

I don't really expect us to take a QB early, but if someone falls, the BPA could be a QB. It's not out of the question.
This is pretty much exactly what I am saying...McCoy is just being touted as most likely to freefall at the moment.
Originally posted by obx49:
Javier Arenas is another first round prospect that will be there in the second round. I would be elated if we were to land Arenas who would fill two immediate needs.

Hell yeah. If Arenas fell to us in the second I would sh!t myself. LOL.