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Final Bowl Week Prospect Watch: (1/4 - 1/7)

Originally posted by susweel:
Sergio Kindle looks like a player

Rolando McClaine would be a good fit next to Pat.

Arenas is the return man we are missing

Ingram is the second coming of Emmit Smith

Shipley and Mount Cody will not be good pros.

Shipley is going to be good dude... He had a good game tonight. Once he started getting catchable balls he was doing pretty damn good. He had like 10 catches for 117 yards and 2 TDs. I don't see how you can watch this game and then say he'll suck.

Arenas and Kindle also looked pretty damn good.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Earl Thomas continues to shrink. I always thought he looked short, but I've been trying to compare his height with other players tonight, and the guy is a shrimp. Tiny.

If he is 5'10", then I am 7' tall. He's no more than 5'8 1/2, 180-185 pounds. And Ingram ran right through him.

Buyer Beware. I wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole. This is not a stout Bob Sanders.

I'd have to think that the NFL's Draft Advisory board would NOT be grading him as a first if this is the case. They do not encourage players to enter, and Thomas has made it clear that he intends to enter the draft if he knows he will receive "first round money."

He makes a lot of plays, but you're absolutely right. Earl is no Bob Sanders. I'd prefer the 49ers target Reshad Jones or T.J. Ward.

Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker
Originally posted by MaliCali:
Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Now that the BCS game is about over, who are the players that improved their status and why, and who are those who dropped in their status and why? Also who would be players that we would look at?

Gainers:
DT Lamarr Houston - continued to play hard and was the one guy to consistently get pressure. Beat Mike Johnson badly several times early on.
WR Shipley - Even without their QB, has played extremely well. Two TDs.
CB Arenas - Sure he got beat once on the double-move, but never judge someone on one play. He had one bad play, the entire rest of the game he had/has been very good out there.
ILB McClain - solid all game long. A mistake being offsides, but that's about the only negative you can take from McClain tonight.

Losers:
S Earl Thomas - not physical enough, didn't make a peep in the game.
DT Terrance Cody - simply a situational player, falls deeper into the 2nd round.
SS Woodall - Blown coverages. Woodall may have to move to OLB in the Pro's.

Static (non-moving):
OLB Sergio Kindle - Did some good things, but not enough to really make any significant movement.
OG Mike Johnson - Got beat some early on, but bounce back with some outstanding blocks to even things out.

That might have something to do with Bama only throwing the ball 11 times.
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Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Now that the BCS game is about over, who are the players that improved their status and why, and who are those who dropped in their status and why? Also who would be players that we would look at?

Gainers:
DT Lamarr Houston - continued to play hard and was the one guy to consistently get pressure. Beat Mike Johnson badly several times early on.
WR Shipley - Even without their QB, has played extremely well. Two TDs.
CB Arenas - Sure he got beat once on the double-move, but never judge someone on one play. He had one bad play, the entire rest of the game he had/has been very good out there.
ILB McClain - solid all game long. A mistake being offsides, but that's about the only negative you can take from McClain tonight.

Losers:
S Earl Thomas - not physical enough, didn't make a peep in the game.
DT Terrance Cody - simply a situational player, falls deeper into the 2nd round.
SS Woodall - Blown coverages. Woodall may have to move to OLB in the Pro's.

Static (non-moving):
OLB Sergio Kindle - Did some good things, but not enough to really make any significant movement.
OG Mike Johnson - Got beat some early on, but bounce back with some outstanding blocks to even things out.

That might have something to do with Bama only throwing the ball 11 times.

Exactly what I said....sort of.

Don't see how anyone could give a fair assessment based on that.
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
Originally posted by MaliCali:
Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker

Anyone think he'll be available in the third or fourth? I'd take him or McCluster in an instant. Both WRs that can return pretty damn well.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
Originally posted by MaliCali:
Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker

Anyone think he'll be available in the third or fourth? I'd take him or McCluster in an instant. Both WRs that can return pretty damn well.

i love how every white WR around 6' is considered a "welker-type"
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
Originally posted by MaliCali:
Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker

Anyone think he'll be available in the third or fourth? I'd take him or McCluster in an instant. Both WRs that can return pretty damn well.

i love how every white WR around 6' is considered a "welker-type"

They aren't even close to the same kind of player either, Welker is more of a feisty squirrel of a man, while Shipley is longer and lankier and taller.
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Originally posted by confusedrhino:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
Originally posted by MaliCali:
Jordan Shipley = Baby Welker

Anyone think he'll be available in the third or fourth? I'd take him or McCluster in an instant. Both WRs that can return pretty damn well.

i love how every white WR around 6' is considered a "welker-type"

They aren't even close to the same kind of player either, Welker is more of a feisty squirrel of a man, while Shipley is longer and lankier and taller.

Shipley is more like Jordy Nelson than Wes Welker.
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So Thomas' size scares people off, but Arenas is no problem. He looked even smaller? How's he gonna cover most NFL WRs, he's maybe 5'7. Do you take a guy in the 2nd strictly as a returner?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Now that the BCS game is about over, who are the players that improved their status and why, and who are those who dropped in their status and why? Also who would be players that we would look at?

Gainers:
DT Lamarr Houston - continued to play hard and was the one guy to consistently get pressure. Beat Mike Johnson badly several times early on.
WR Shipley - Even without their QB, has played extremely well. Two TDs.
CB Arenas - Sure he got beat once on the double-move, but never judge someone on one play. He had one bad play, the entire rest of the game he had/has been very good out there.
ILB McClain - solid all game long. A mistake being offsides, but that's about the only negative you can take from McClain tonight.

Losers:
S Earl Thomas - not physical enough, didn't make a peep in the game.
DT Terrance Cody - simply a situational player, falls deeper into the 2nd round.
SS Woodall - Blown coverages. Woodall may have to move to OLB in the Pro's.

Static (non-moving):
OLB Sergio Kindle - Did some good things, but not enough to really make any significant movement.
OG Mike Johnson - Got beat some early on, but bounce back with some outstanding blocks to even things out.

I wouldn't say "Loser", its not his fault Bama ran the ball 90% of the time with Ingram and Richardson, who Thomas made a nice open field tackle on 3rd and 2. And not physical enough, dude was throwing his body AT the RB's, he could be blamed for miss tackles, but not physical enough C'mon.

Same goes with Cody, Bama knew Texas would pass more so they went with more of a pass rushing front.

We saw two different things last night. Sure, Thomas is not at fault for the fact that Alabama didn't pass much, but it's going to take more than one good tackle in a game to make people believe you have first round talent. Thomas plays Strong Safety for Texas -- Other guys like T.J. Ward, Reshad Jones, Kam Chancellor, even Larry Asante and Kyle McCarthy consistently make noise in both facets of the game no matter what the run-pass ratio. As I said before, Thomas' "ballhawk" status and him getting a bunch of interceptions is not enough.

He lost ground as far as the "1st round" standard that many around here place on him. If he was expected to play like a 2nd rounder or later, that'd be totally different, and I would not classify him as one of the "Losers" of the game. Hope that makes sense.

As far as Cody, that absolutely proves my point. He can't play on every down, and he'll be virtually useless against most passing teams in the league, and in such a pass-happy league these days, would that not concern you? You don't want to spend a 1st on a situational player like that.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Jan 8, 2010 at 06:46:11 ]
Thomas lost my vote when he missed that tackle on the sideline. No.12 flew projectile-like right by the running back. Bad angle or out of control either way, not in the 1st.
I thought Thomas played well last night. I think he's a cover FS with good range. Last night he showed he's willing to tackle a big strong back if he has to. I also got a chance to see his speed.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Now that the BCS game is about over, who are the players that improved their status and why, and who are those who dropped in their status and why? Also who would be players that we would look at?

Gainers:
DT Lamarr Houston - continued to play hard and was the one guy to consistently get pressure. Beat Mike Johnson badly several times early on.
WR Shipley - Even without their QB, has played extremely well. Two TDs.
CB Arenas - Sure he got beat once on the double-move, but never judge someone on one play. He had one bad play, the entire rest of the game he had/has been very good out there.
ILB McClain - solid all game long. A mistake being offsides, but that's about the only negative you can take from McClain tonight.

Losers:
S Earl Thomas - not physical enough, didn't make a peep in the game.
DT Terrance Cody - simply a situational player, falls deeper into the 2nd round.
SS Woodall - Blown coverages. Woodall may have to move to OLB in the Pro's.

Static (non-moving):
OLB Sergio Kindle - Did some good things, but not enough to really make any significant movement.
OG Mike Johnson - Got beat some early on, but bounce back with some outstanding blocks to even things out.

I wouldn't say "Loser", its not his fault Bama ran the ball 90% of the time with Ingram and Richardson, who Thomas made a nice open field tackle on 3rd and 2. And not physical enough, dude was throwing his body AT the RB's, he could be blamed for miss tackles, but not physical enough C'mon.

Same goes with Cody, Bama knew Texas would pass more so they went with more of a pass rushing front.

We saw two different things last night. Sure, Thomas is not at fault for the fact that Alabama didn't pass much, but it's going to take more than one good tackle in a game to make people believe you have first round talent. Thomas plays Strong Safety for Texas -- Other guys like T.J. Ward, Reshad Jones, Kam Chancellor, even Larry Asante and Kyle McCarthy consistently make noise in both facets of the game no matter what the run-pass ratio. As I said before, Thomas' "ballhawk" status and him getting a bunch of interceptions is not enough.

He lost ground as far as the "1st round" standard that many around here place on him. If he was expected to play like a 2nd rounder or later, that'd be totally different, and I would not classify him as one of the "Losers" of the game. Hope that makes sense.

As far as Cody, that absolutely proves my point. He can't play on every down, and he'll be virtually useless against most passing teams in the league, and in such a pass-happy league these days, would that not concern you? You don't want to spend a 1st on a situational player like that.

So let me get this straight, your going to base one game with an opposing QB passing for only 11 times. BTW Thomas had more than 1 tackle, went head to head with Ingram in the 2nd quarter. In that game and lined up at SS and FS, but due to his cover skills, IMO, he'll be a FS in the NFL.

Oh and BTW Thomas has the same amount of tackles than both TJ Ward and Kam Chancellor, but more solo tackles than Chancellor.

[ Edited by Kolohe on Jan 8, 2010 at 09:07:12 ]