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Gilyard VS Spiller VS Bryant

I want to see speed, and soft hands. We need someone who catches the ball if it is within three yards of the player. I want someone who can get the ball, stretch the field, and be a home run threat every time he touches the ball. Now if that is Spiller, Gilyard, Bryant or whoever it is that is who I want on the team. We will be sitting in a perfect spot to get that person and we need to get him.

We also need pass rush, PR, KR, and Oline. So lets get those players.
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

Seems like a strong possibility, yeah.

Early on, among DB's and RB's with return ability, there's some, but not a whole lot. People expecting USC's McKnight to come out, think again, he sounds like he's totally committed to returning. He said he doesn't feel ready. So right now, you've basically got:

Tier 1 (Rounds 1 - 3)

Spiller (Clemson)
Arenas (Alabama)
Thompson (Cal) - Some PR exp.
Cox (Oklahoma State)
Wilson (Boise St.)
McCourty (Rutgers)
Owusu-Ansah (Indiana PA)

Tier 2 (Rounds 4-5)
Ross (Arizona) - little bit of KR exp.
McMannis (Northwestern)

Cox and McMannis are great targets.

Wouldn't mind Cox in the 3rd if we don't get Haden in the 1st.

Im not sure he would last that long
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

Seems like a strong possibility, yeah.

Early on, among DB's and RB's with return ability, there's some, but not a whole lot. People expecting USC's McKnight to come out, think again, he sounds like he's totally committed to returning. He said he doesn't feel ready. So right now, you've basically got:

Tier 1 (Rounds 1 - 3)

Spiller (Clemson)
Arenas (Alabama)
Thompson (Cal) - Some PR exp.
Cox (Oklahoma State)
Wilson (Boise St.)
McCourty (Rutgers)
Owusu-Ansah (Indiana PA)

Tier 2 (Rounds 4-5)
Ross (Arizona) - little bit of KR exp.
McMannis (Northwestern)

Cox and McMannis are great targets.

Wouldn't mind Cox in the 3rd if we don't get Haden in the 1st.

Im not sure he would last that long

Yeah, I don't think so either. If anyone makes it to the third, it'd probably be Thompson due to his 5-8 height.

Cox has a blend of exceptional size, speed, and sensational return ability that make him a contender to even go in the late part of the 1st.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

Seems like a strong possibility, yeah.

Early on, among DB's and RB's with return ability, there's some, but not a whole lot. People expecting USC's McKnight to come out, think again, he sounds like he's totally committed to returning. He said he doesn't feel ready. So right now, you've basically got:

Tier 1 (Rounds 1 - 3)

Spiller (Clemson)
Arenas (Alabama)
Thompson (Cal) - Some PR exp.
Cox (Oklahoma State)
Wilson (Boise St.)
McCourty (Rutgers)
Owusu-Ansah (Indiana PA)

Tier 2 (Rounds 4-5)
Ross (Arizona) - little bit of KR exp.
McMannis (Northwestern)

Cox and McMannis are great targets.

Wouldn't mind Cox in the 3rd if we don't get Haden in the 1st.

Im not sure he would last that long

Yeah, I don't think so either. If anyone makes it to the third, it'd probably be Thompson due to his 5-8 height.

Cox has a blend of exceptional size, speed, and sensational return ability that make him a contender to even go in the late part of the 1st.

How do you think he matches up at CB....potential starter or full time nickel?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

I agee 100%. Taking a WR in the first couple of rounds would be stupid.

I just think they have Morgan set at WR for some time now, and want to see how Hill and Jones play out in 2010.

The only argument I can make to counter that statement is the real lack of playing time both Jones and Hill have gotten this year. Everybody knows Hill's "clocked" speed and his late season boom last year and Jones's reported great play in preseason but we have seen nothing...so far. I'm not sure if its a trust issue, personal agenda, or an unknown reason but something has to be up.

I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller "DeSean Jackson" type stretching the field a la Jacoby Ford. All of our WR's seem to fit the same mold so mismatches are hard to come by except for Davis.

I believe we will see less hesitation to draft smaller, explosive players in this draft. Speedy guys will be in demand, regardless of size.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

I agee 100%. Taking a WR in the first couple of rounds would be stupid.

I just think they have Morgan set at WR for some time now, and want to see how Hill and Jones play out in 2010.

The only argument I can make to counter that statement is the real lack of playing time both Jones and Hill have gotten this year. Everybody knows Hill's "clocked" speed and his late season boom last year and Jones's reported great play in preseason but we have seen nothing...so far. I'm not sure if its a trust issue, personal agenda, or an unknown reason but something has to be up.

I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller "DeSean Jackson" type stretching the field a la Jacoby Ford. All of our WR's seem to fit the same mold so mismatches are hard to come by except for Davis.

I believe we will see less hesitation to draft smaller, explosive players in this draft. Speedy guys will be in demand, regardless of size.

Could you see Ford being a legitimate target for us?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

I agee 100%. Taking a WR in the first couple of rounds would be stupid.

I just think they have Morgan set at WR for some time now, and want to see how Hill and Jones play out in 2010.

The only argument I can make to counter that statement is the real lack of playing time both Jones and Hill have gotten this year. Everybody knows Hill's "clocked" speed and his late season boom last year and Jones's reported great play in preseason but we have seen nothing...so far. I'm not sure if its a trust issue, personal agenda, or an unknown reason but something has to be up.

I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller "DeSean Jackson" type stretching the field a la Jacoby Ford. All of our WR's seem to fit the same mold so mismatches are hard to come by except for Davis.

I believe we will see less hesitation to draft smaller, explosive players in this draft. Speedy guys will be in demand, regardless of size.

Could you see Ford being a legitimate target for us?


Good question, which person would be the best PR for us, after the first round? or during the first round?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

I agee 100%. Taking a WR in the first couple of rounds would be stupid.

I just think they have Morgan set at WR for some time now, and want to see how Hill and Jones play out in 2010.

The only argument I can make to counter that statement is the real lack of playing time both Jones and Hill have gotten this year. Everybody knows Hill's "clocked" speed and his late season boom last year and Jones's reported great play in preseason but we have seen nothing...so far. I'm not sure if its a trust issue, personal agenda, or an unknown reason but something has to be up.

I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller "DeSean Jackson" type stretching the field a la Jacoby Ford. All of our WR's seem to fit the same mold so mismatches are hard to come by except for Davis.

I believe we will see less hesitation to draft smaller, explosive players in this draft. Speedy guys will be in demand, regardless of size.

Could you see Ford being a legitimate target for us?

No. I think the Niners will look at CB first for KR/PR help, unless they draft Haden in the first round.

The CB position is stocked with solid return guys, many who will be on the board in the second round or later. Look for Javier Arenas, Perrish Cox, Kyle Wilson to be high on the list.

However, watch out for small school, fast-riser Akwasi Owusu-Ansah from Indiana U., Pennsylvania, who has an interesting combination of size and speed. Here is a 6'1", 205 player, who runs a sub-4.50. He is going to be drafted much earlier than most draft experts have him currently going. And, the Niners like their big corners.

So, expect the Niners to draft an OT with their early first rounder, and the best available left on the board with their second first round selection. Then, they'll target a CB in the second round with return abilities. Lay down some cash on this combo.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

I agee 100%. Taking a WR in the first couple of rounds would be stupid.

I just think they have Morgan set at WR for some time now, and want to see how Hill and Jones play out in 2010.

The only argument I can make to counter that statement is the real lack of playing time both Jones and Hill have gotten this year. Everybody knows Hill's "clocked" speed and his late season boom last year and Jones's reported great play in preseason but we have seen nothing...so far. I'm not sure if its a trust issue, personal agenda, or an unknown reason but something has to be up.

I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller "DeSean Jackson" type stretching the field a la Jacoby Ford. All of our WR's seem to fit the same mold so mismatches are hard to come by except for Davis.

I believe we will see less hesitation to draft smaller, explosive players in this draft. Speedy guys will be in demand, regardless of size.

Could you see Ford being a legitimate target for us?

No. I think the Niners will look at CB first for KR/PR help, unless they draft Haden in the first round.

The CB position is stocked with solid return guys, many who will be on the board in the second round or later. Look for Javier Arenas, Perrish Cox, Kyle Wilson to be high on the list.

However, watch out for small school, fast-riser Akwasi Owusu-Ansah from Indiana U., Pennsylvania, who has an interesting combination of size and speed. Here is a 6'1", 205 player, who runs a sub-4.50. He is going to be drafted much earlier than most draft experts have him currently going. And, the Niners like their big corners.

So, expect the Niners to draft an OT with their early first rounder, and the best available left on the board with their second first round selection. Then, they'll target a CB in the second round with return abilities. Lay down some cash on this combo.

Cox is who I have my eye on, I love his size which helps with the more physical WR's...especially the 2 in AZ. If we were able to land Cox do you see him pushing for a starting role in a year or 2 or do you see him as the dedicated nickel back?
Spiller would be ideal. just look at people like chris johnson, derren sproles, percy harvin. they are game breakers on offense and special teams. taking a RB/KR/PR is smarter than taking a WR/KR/PR to us because we have some good depth at receiver. bruce will be let go but we have that loser jones and his contract taking up a roster spot so i dont think they want so many big contracts in one group of players. a RB to spell and possibly replace gore if he continues to struggle and an electrifying return man would greatly boost this team
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Spiller would be ideal. just look at people like chris johnson, derren sproles, percy harvin. they are game breakers on offense and special teams. taking a RB/KR/PR is smarter than taking a WR/KR/PR to us because we have some good depth at receiver. bruce will be let go but we have that loser jones and his contract taking up a roster spot so i dont think they want so many big contracts in one group of players. a RB to spell and possibly replace gore if he continues to struggle and an electrifying return man would greatly boost this team

There is no question that we need RB help and we need and electrifyiing return man. So we could get it at Spiller or Cox, or someone who can help us in these areas.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Spiller would be ideal. just look at people like chris johnson, derren sproles, percy harvin. they are game breakers on offense and special teams. taking a RB/KR/PR is smarter than taking a WR/KR/PR to us because we have some good depth at receiver. bruce will be let go but we have that loser jones and his contract taking up a roster spot so i dont think they want so many big contracts in one group of players. a RB to spell and possibly replace gore if he continues to struggle and an electrifying return man would greatly boost this team

There is no question that we need RB help and we need and electrifyiing return man. So we could get it at Spiller or Cox, or someone who can help us in these areas.

watching some spiller replays on utube i was impressed by fact that he does run inside as well as outside, and he looks to be a really good receiver...i saw several pass plays to him well down field

if 49ers take him in rd 1, do they dare risk losing him to injury by having him return kicks?
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Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Spiller would be ideal. just look at people like chris johnson, derren sproles, percy harvin. they are game breakers on offense and special teams. taking a RB/KR/PR is smarter than taking a WR/KR/PR to us because we have some good depth at receiver. bruce will be let go but we have that loser jones and his contract taking up a roster spot so i dont think they want so many big contracts in one group of players. a RB to spell and possibly replace gore if he continues to struggle and an electrifying return man would greatly boost this team

There is no question that we need RB help and we need and electrifyiing return man. So we could get it at Spiller or Cox, or someone who can help us in these areas.

watching some spiller replays on utube i was impressed by fact that he does run inside as well as outside, and he looks to be a really good receiver...i saw several pass plays to him well down field

if 49ers take him in rd 1, do they dare risk losing him to injury by having him return kicks?

With a player like that you have to take that chance. The risk/reward factor is too heavily weighted to the "reward" side.
Originally posted by Riot:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Spiller would be ideal. just look at people like chris johnson, derren sproles, percy harvin. they are game breakers on offense and special teams. taking a RB/KR/PR is smarter than taking a WR/KR/PR to us because we have some good depth at receiver. bruce will be let go but we have that loser jones and his contract taking up a roster spot so i dont think they want so many big contracts in one group of players. a RB to spell and possibly replace gore if he continues to struggle and an electrifying return man would greatly boost this team

There is no question that we need RB help and we need and electrifyiing return man. So we could get it at Spiller or Cox, or someone who can help us in these areas.

watching some spiller replays on utube i was impressed by fact that he does run inside as well as outside, and he looks to be a really good receiver...i saw several pass plays to him well down field

if 49ers take him in rd 1, do they dare risk losing him to injury by having him return kicks?

With a player like that you have to take that chance. The risk/reward factor is too heavily weighted to the "reward" side.

ya i would put him back there. the scoring threat and field position that u get from him is well worth the risk. people can get hurt sneezing (see: sammy sosa) football is a physical game, u can get injured anywhere on the field. with spiller and gore in the backfield, they can split them both out wide or have them run screens or chill in the flats and wreak havoc on defenses from basically anywhere on the field.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd be surprised if the Niners draft a WR in the first three rounds of this draft. Look for them to find a player like Spiller, or a CB with return ability, before a WR. A WR would simply not be on the field much if they keep the current 2 TE-2 WR base offense. With a player like Spiller, he would play a big chunk of the game, outside of returning kicks and punts.

Seems like a strong possibility, yeah.

Early on, among DB's and RB's with return ability, there's some, but not a whole lot. People expecting USC's McKnight to come out, think again, he sounds like he's totally committed to returning. He said he doesn't feel ready. So right now, you've basically got:

Tier 1 (Rounds 1 - 3)

Spiller (Clemson)
Arenas (Alabama)
Thompson (Cal) - Some PR exp.
Cox (Oklahoma State)
Wilson (Boise St.)
McCourty (Rutgers)
Owusu-Ansah (Indiana PA)

Tier 2 (Rounds 4-5)
Ross (Arizona) - little bit of KR exp.
McMannis (Northwestern)

can we have both?