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Which UDFA acquisition are you most excited about?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Kory Sheets - poor mans Chris Johnson, will definitely be that change of pace RB for the 49ers.
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Kory Sheets - poor mans Chris Johnson, will definitely be that change of pace RB for the 49ers.

very poor, homeless, and meth addict mans chris johnson....maybe

Why do you say that??

chris johnson ran a 4.24, this kid ran in the high 4.4's which makes him more like a very poor man's felix jones

I'm not even looking at their 40 times, but more as what they do as a RB. Both are good outside runners, both are patient and have that second gear once they come off their blocks
. Only thing Johnson has to Sheets is, proven production in the NFL and elite speed. The styles are comparable, but when I said poor mans, I meant because of the lack of speed of Sheets.

and going undrafted compared to being a first round pick is what i was referring to as a very poor, homeless, and meth addict mans chris johnson....maybe

Oh I get it you were being funny.

that and i dont think this kid has half the talent of chris johnson

Why, cause he doesn't run a 4.24 40?? Or cause he wasn't drafted in the 1st round?? Or because its just your simple opinion and have no other reason or reasons??

because i saw a few Purdue games, and he didnt stand out to me as anything special. becuase he's a terrible pass blocker. because he was the feature back for only one year, and topped 100 yards just three times in that year. because in 5 of his games last year he didnt even reach 4.0 YPC

Johnson was the same in college, only made a break through performance when he was a Senior, wasn't really a good pass-blocker, had some durability issues. And to say Sheets doesn't have half the talent as Johnson, when Sheets has 53 total TD's in his career to what Johnson had in his college career with only 43 total.

and johnson's senior campaign was much better than sheets.

Johnson - 236/1423/6.0/17TD's rushing and 37/528/6TD's recieving
Sheets - 234/1131/4.8/16TD's rushing and 37/253/1TD recieving

Johnson also had 36 kick returns, for 1,009 yards and a touch, compared to sheets 14 returns for 259 yards. Thats ten yards less per return on average.

and you think this guy will beat out rossum for the return duties? come on.

Well then, there you go, he not only does have half the talent, hes just as good. No one, ever said anything about being better than Chris Jonson did they??

And no one ever said anything about beating out Rossum, but really just being another KR, you know there are two when they take the field.

just as good? you're out of your mind. 1,317 total yards less is not just as good. hell, i'll even throw out the kick return yardage, and say thats 567 yards from scrimmage less! sheets would have to play in 4-5 more games to get another 567 yards from scrimmage. he's not just as good, he's not even close.

What are you talking about, excluding Special Teams play:

Sheets - Rushing and Receiving = 4,155

Johnson - Rushing and Receiving = 4,278

That's only a 123 yard difference. Like I said, hes not only half as good, hes just as better. Reason he wasn't drafted was maturity, arguing with his coaches about his role on the team, other than that, I don't see a reason why he wasn't drafted.

Besides I compared the two by their style of running and play on the field, not by their stats. But since you happen to throw in their stats, whatever.

i was comparing the stats from their senior seasons when they were both the feature backs. sheets had 1,131 rushing yards and 253 receiving yards, thats 1,384 total, and johnson had 1,423 rushing 528 receiving, which is 1,951 total. sheets would have needed four or 5 more games to amass the same numbers this year. so no, he's not "just as better."

Your simply not getting the point to my comparison. While you compare stats and 40 times, I'm looking more at the style of play that compares. And you continue to ignore the accomplishments Sheets has done, which also includes Purdues all time leader in career touchdowns. And in the end, to say this kid doesn't have half the talent after what hes accomplished, leads me to just end the argument that its mainly your opinion and nothing else.
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.
ALEX BOONE IS A BADASS! Sheets coming in a close 2nd.
Originally posted by NinerNZ:
Sheets defines "change of pace", vis a vis Gore, better than Coffee does.

Sure, if you're not taking into consideration that he's signed to the 9ers and our management and coaching staff has said repeatedly for going on four months now that they're looking for a bruising back who can move the chains to be our change of pace guy.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:


If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

Quite possibly the defining point, but may we be better served if we let that extra spot go to OL, DL and CB's? But your right if we are going to run 55% of the time it may be necessary to have 5 active RB's. For no other reasons then personal opinions I think we will only have 4 active RB's at the start the season. Maybe down the road Sheets can change that but starting the season I think its unlikely.
Damn if Sing can keep Boone in check he might see some playing time.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I like Brandon Long the most because he's athletic for a 3-4 OLB, and he had 5.5 sacks in his only year of playing time. He could be a pretty decent player IMO, and we don't have any backups who are locks to make the team at OLB. Hopefully he can do well.

Changing my favorite acquisition to Khalif Mitchell, the DT from ECU!
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives
Sheets is exciting...but I'm curious to see if any of teh OLB prospects will flash in TC. Diyral Biggs was a monster among men at Bowling Green...maybe he can follow in the footsteps of another undrafted Ohio LB, London Fletcher and shock the world.
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Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.
At least we all agree that we have potential in the UDFAs. So training camp will start the sort our process and hopefully we will see some of our old timers leave because of more quality and potential, and productivity coming in. I would love to see 3-4 of our UDFAs make the team and or practice squad. That means the team is developing. And then if Balmer, Goldson, T. Brown, Boone, Sheets, etc show great promise and improvement we are going to be a tough team.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.
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Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kj11aw:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.