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The 2010 Draft and our 2 1st rounders

Originally posted by SmithGore:
I'm kidding. We have approximately 360 days until the 2010 NFL Draft, and I'm all for the draft talk, especially when we have 2 first rounders, but I cannot hear people talking about Terrence Cody and Taylor Mays as if they are the 49ers saviors for the better part of a year. Of course I'm not going to simply say that and not back it up. So here we go.

Terrence Cody: everyone on the zone loves Cody or Mount Cody as you lovers call him for his "great size" listed at 6'5'' and 365. What many people don't realize is that his size is also his biggest weakness. The guy should probably be listed at around 385 after not eating for a week. The issue with a guy of that size is that he almost automatically becomes a two down player, which is a major issue. He has 5.5 speed at best and has limited to no pass rush moves. He is a huge player who got made to look better because he is on a defense that was great. He played worse and worse by the end of the season because no 380 pound man can hold up for 16 games, not to mention he has some injury problems. He was only a star prospect coming out of H.S. because besides his size(which can be his blessing or his poison) he has nothing going for him. He will attract the occasional double team in the pros due to his size, but he lacks the strength and push that he should have at 380. All in all, No two down player, with no control over his weight, and an extremely limited pass-rush repertoire should be a high first round pick, and should not go to a team, the 49ers, who do not have the luxury of drafting a two down player with BUST written all over his massive 400 pound body.

Taylor Mays: People see Taylor Mays at 6'3'' 235 and possible 4.35 speed and go goo-goo gah gah. He has amazing size, speed, and can lay the wood like few safety's can, the issue with his game is he lacks the most important element of an NFL Free safety's game. Ball Skills. The skill sets he posses are good, but only become great/useful when you combine them with the ball-hawking element that all great NFL FS's have. Mays had 1 INT in the last two years, and I don't want to hear that USC used to him deep to prevent the long pass. Look at the two best Safety's in the game, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, and you see guys who have a nose for the ball. Two guys who are always around the ball making plays with their amazing ball skills. you don't see off the chart size-speed combinations, Both are 5'10'' or 5'11'' 200-210 pounds and both ran in the low 4.5's. FS is a cover first position that should be judged based on ball-skills not speed and size.


My resolution: if you want to draft a NT and a FS in this years draft. Look into NDAMUKONG SUH and ERIC BERRY.

I see...so you don't want to hear the reason why Mays had only 1 INT? That's sensible.

The fact is, teams refused to throw deep on SC because Mays was back there. 1 deep pass completed for the entire season - that is impressive.

Mays will undergo a more versatile role this season, and you'll see his stats expand because of it.
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Out of that entire post you can only pull out that he was covering the deep ball? He's been playing for 3 years, and if Pete thought he was that good, he would put him in a Polamalu role and let him roam the field. I didn't watch every Trojans games, but enough to know that wherever he is playing, he isn't always around the ball. And when he is he thinks big sportscenter hit instead of interception. I also don't think he's smart enough to be a premiere FS in the NFL. Do you honestly think he'll be a better pro than Eric Berry?
Is next year's draft really 360 days away? What am I going to do for the next 359 days?

For what it is worth I don't think we will be drafting a FS in round 1 next year. OT, NT, OLB/DE, and maybe a QB as possible 1 rounders next year.
Originally posted by fister30:
Is next year's draft really 360 days away? What am I going to do for the next 359 days?

For what it is worth I don't think we will be drafting a FS in round 1 next year. OT, NT, OLB/DE, and maybe a QB as possible 1 rounders next year.

Well depending on the play of Goldson and R Smith if they both prove they aren't starter worthy Scotty may pull the trigger on a new one.
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Originally posted by SmithGore:
Out of that entire post you can only pull out that he was covering the deep ball? He's been playing for 3 years, and if Pete thought he was that good, he would put him in a Polamalu role and let him roam the field. I didn't watch every Trojans games, but enough to know that wherever he is playing, he isn't always around the ball. And when he is he thinks big sportscenter hit instead of interception. I also don't think he's smart enough to be a premiere FS in the NFL. Do you honestly think he'll be a better pro than Eric Berry?

Comparing him to Eric Berry is like comparing Peyton Manning to John Elway. Both excellent players at their position. I'd love to have either. Berry has a good chance to be selected before Mays, but you can never tell until they've played out their seasons.

Now that I think about it, he'll never slide past the Raiders because Al Davis will pop some viagra over his measurables.
Originally posted by SmithGore:
Out of that entire post you can only pull out that he was covering the deep ball? He's been playing for 3 years, and if Pete thought he was that good, he would put him in a Polamalu role and let him roam the field. I didn't watch every Trojans games, but enough to know that wherever he is playing, he isn't always around the ball. And when he is he thinks big sportscenter hit instead of interception. I also don't think he's smart enough to be a premiere FS in the NFL. Do you honestly think he'll be a better pro than Eric Berry?

I don't know. As I said in another post, I haven't watched Berry play many games...we don't get many UT games on the West Coast. I'm not stating Mays is better than Berry; I'm just saying Mays is damn good.

Like I said, wait to see how Mays plays this year. I think you'll be surprised.
Eric Berry would be my top choice, but I wouldn't be upset if we selected Taylor Mays.
I think it's important to realize that all the safeties could fall off or get better (sounds obvious, right?) I'm just thinking about William Moore and how he went from a 13 INT season to total crap.

Before we decide which one we want, let's see how the season plays out...
Originally posted by nipplehead:
I think it's important to realize that all the safeties could fall off or get better (sounds obvious, right?) I'm just thinking about William Moore and how he went from a 13 INT season to total crap.

Before we decide which one we want, let's see how the season plays out...

Moore was hampered by injuries the past season. I think he'll be a decent pro.
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I don't understand why people think Mays is going to be a great pro. Yes there is a year left to prove he can cover, but judging right now he's a big fast safety, in a time when in the box safeties are dying. To be honest i hope he does well so he goes ahead of Berry.!
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Originally posted by SmithGore:
I'm kidding. We have approximately 360 days until the 2010 NFL Draft, and I'm all for the draft talk, especially when we have 2 first rounders, but I cannot hear people talking about Terrence Cody and Taylor Mays as if they are the 49ers saviors for the better part of a year. Of course I'm not going to simply say that and not back it up. So here we go.

Terrence Cody: everyone on the zone loves Cody or Mount Cody as you lovers call him for his "great size" listed at 6'5'' and 365. What many people don't realize is that his size is also his biggest weakness. The guy should probably be listed at around 385 after not eating for a week. The issue with a guy of that size is that he almost automatically becomes a two down player, which is a major issue. He has 5.5 speed at best and has limited to no pass rush moves. He is a huge player who got made to look better because he is on a defense that was great. He played worse and worse by the end of the season because no 380 pound man can hold up for 16 games, not to mention he has some injury problems. He was only a star prospect coming out of H.S. because besides his size(which can be his blessing or his poison) he has nothing going for him. He will attract the occasional double team in the pros due to his size, but he lacks the strength and push that he should have at 380. All in all, No two down player, with no control over his weight, and an extremely limited pass-rush repertoire should be a high first round pick, and should not go to a team, the 49ers, who do not have the luxury of drafting a two down player with BUST written all over his massive 400 pound body.

Taylor Mays: People see Taylor Mays at 6'3'' 235 and possible 4.35 speed and go goo-goo gah gah. He has amazing size, speed, and can lay the wood like few safety's can, the issue with his game is he lacks the most important element of an NFL Free safety's game. Ball Skills. The skill sets he posses are good, but only become great/useful when you combine them with the ball-hawking element that all great NFL FS's have. Mays had 1 INT in the last two years, and I don't want to hear that USC used to him deep to prevent the long pass. Look at the two best Safety's in the game, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, and you see guys who have a nose for the ball. Two guys who are always around the ball making plays with their amazing ball skills. you don't see off the chart size-speed combinations, Both are 5'10'' or 5'11'' 200-210 pounds and both ran in the low 4.5's. FS is a cover first position that should be judged based on ball-skills not speed and size.


My resolution: if you want to draft a NT and a FS in this years draft. Look into NDAMUKONG SUH and ERIC BERRY.

So what you are saying is the Taylor Mays is the Vernon Davis of safeties
Originally posted by RLB78:
Originally posted by SmithGore:
I'm kidding. We have approximately 360 days until the 2010 NFL Draft, and I'm all for the draft talk, especially when we have 2 first rounders, but I cannot hear people talking about Terrence Cody and Taylor Mays as if they are the 49ers saviors for the better part of a year. Of course I'm not going to simply say that and not back it up. So here we go.

Terrence Cody: everyone on the zone loves Cody or Mount Cody as you lovers call him for his "great size" listed at 6'5'' and 365. What many people don't realize is that his size is also his biggest weakness. The guy should probably be listed at around 385 after not eating for a week. The issue with a guy of that size is that he almost automatically becomes a two down player, which is a major issue. He has 5.5 speed at best and has limited to no pass rush moves. He is a huge player who got made to look better because he is on a defense that was great. He played worse and worse by the end of the season because no 380 pound man can hold up for 16 games, not to mention he has some injury problems. He was only a star prospect coming out of H.S. because besides his size(which can be his blessing or his poison) he has nothing going for him. He will attract the occasional double team in the pros due to his size, but he lacks the strength and push that he should have at 380. All in all, No two down player, with no control over his weight, and an extremely limited pass-rush repertoire should be a high first round pick, and should not go to a team, the 49ers, who do not have the luxury of drafting a two down player with BUST written all over his massive 400 pound body.

Taylor Mays: People see Taylor Mays at 6'3'' 235 and possible 4.35 speed and go goo-goo gah gah. He has amazing size, speed, and can lay the wood like few safety's can, the issue with his game is he lacks the most important element of an NFL Free safety's game. Ball Skills. The skill sets he posses are good, but only become great/useful when you combine them with the ball-hawking element that all great NFL FS's have. Mays had 1 INT in the last two years, and I don't want to hear that USC used to him deep to prevent the long pass. Look at the two best Safety's in the game, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, and you see guys who have a nose for the ball. Two guys who are always around the ball making plays with their amazing ball skills. you don't see off the chart size-speed combinations, Both are 5'10'' or 5'11'' 200-210 pounds and both ran in the low 4.5's. FS is a cover first position that should be judged based on ball-skills not speed and size.


My resolution: if you want to draft a NT and a FS in this years draft. Look into NDAMUKONG SUH and ERIC BERRY.

So what you are saying is the Taylor Mays is the Vernon Davis of safeties

i think mays will be a SS
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Mays is not even close to Berry, yeah he has the measurables but Berry is a playmaker and that's all that matters IMO. If we draft Mays over Berry I will be seriously disappointed.
Ndamukong Suh is so impressive I can't say enough about him--he just takes over a game. I want a QB, but I would love him, too...
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Originally posted by 9rFan84:
Eric MothaF*cking Berry