Michael Jordan - The True Goat

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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Jordan still goat, unless LBJ wins one more then I see it as 1A 1B.

I will see it that way when LeBron gets #6, or at least the discussion becomes real for me at that point. Teamed with AD #5 and #6 are very possible. Health permitting who knows how far they can go.

Jordan is the GOAT, or at the very least has a greater claim to being the GOAT than LeBron currently does.

Regardless I feel lucky to have been able to witness both of their careers.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Zachary:

All it took was having the best team ever and then adding one of the best players ever after they lost to.. lebron

They never had the best team ever. They lost to the Cavs negating their 73 win season, lost to Toronto and even had to go 7 to beat the Rockets too with Durant. Got lucky in that series because Paul went out down 3-2. In the end they only won 3 titles in 5 years. The Bulls had the best single season in 96 and three peated. That's not to say they'd beat them head to head but they accomplished more. Were more dominant.

They would have been the greatest team ever - but Lebron said no.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Zachary:

All it took was having the best team ever and then adding one of the best players ever after they lost to.. lebron

They never had the best team ever. They lost to the Cavs negating their 73 win season, lost to Toronto and even had to go 7 to beat the Rockets too with Durant. Got lucky in that series because Paul went out down 3-2. In the end they only won 3 titles in 5 years. The Bulls had the best single season in 96 and three peated. That's not to say they'd beat them head to head but they accomplished more. Were more dominant.

They would have been the greatest team ever - but Lebron said no.

More like the league said "No" after Draymond Green knocked LeBron in the nuts and got himself suspended for a key game 5.

Originally posted by Niners99:

More like the league said "No" after Draymond Green knocked LeBron in the nuts and got himself suspended for a key game 5.

BS. Draymond came back to play in the series and still lost. That was an amazing performance from Lebron. He won that fair and square. Also, the controversial stuff Dray did back then had some positives, but that was the risk. He couldn't control himself throughout the year. Came back to bite him for one game.

Originally posted by 4ML:

They would have been the greatest team ever - but Lebron said no.

They beat LBJ before, beat him afterwards, and had every chance to beat them that year. Green melted down, and they couldn't hit a shot in crunch time. That would of never happened to the true goat and goat team.

Credit to LeBron for winning that one though. Definitely one of hid finest moments. That and toppling SA.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Niners99:
More like the league said "No" after Draymond Green knocked LeBron in the nuts and got himself suspended for a key game 5.

BS. Draymond came back to play in the series and still lost. That was an amazing performance from Lebron. He won that fair and square. Also, the controversial stuff Dray did back then had some positives, but that was the risk. He couldn't control himself throughout the year. Came back to bite him for one game.

Warriors win in 5 with no suspension.

We win in 5, we never get KD. So I am ok with the end result. But anyone to claim that the suspension didnt change the entire series is being disingenuous.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Warriors win in 5 with no suspension.

We win in 5, we never get KD. So I am ok with the end result. But anyone to claim that the suspension didnt change the entire series is being disingenuous.

100% speculation on your part. I can say that GS loses with Draymond in game 5 and it carries the same exact weight as your statement. If it was that easy why did GS lose the next two WITH draymond? Game 7 was at Oracle.

And GS fans give no responsibility for Dray on how he acted. If I recall the suspension, it was due to cumulative behavior not a one off

Lebron won that series fair and square.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Zachary:

All it took was having the best team ever and then adding one of the best players ever after they lost to.. lebron

They never had the best team ever. They lost to the Cavs negating their 73 win season, lost to Toronto and even had to go 7 to beat the Rockets too with Durant. Got lucky in that series because Paul went out down 3-2. In the end they only won 3 titles in 5 years. The Bulls had the best single season in 96 and three peated. That's not to say they'd beat them head to head but they accomplished more. Were more dominant.

They would have been the greatest team ever - but Lebron said no.

This

And then it just took the best team ever adding Kevin Durant to beat Lebron the next year :')

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Niners99:

More like the league said "No" after Draymond Green knocked LeBron in the nuts and got himself suspended for a key game 5.

BS. Draymond came back to play in the series and still lost. That was an amazing performance from Lebron. He won that fair and square. Also, the controversial stuff Dray did back then had some positives, but that was the risk. He couldn't control himself throughout the year. Came back to bite him for one game.

Game 5 was a huge momentum swing. The league only did it because LeBron has so much sway. They totally affected the trajectory of that series over a slight cheap shot. Not that Draymond isnt an idiot for doing it in the first place.

I find it funny that the Warriors beat LeBron once immediately before 2016 and twice directly after 2016, but LeBron fans point to 2016 and try and brag about him winning that one. He faced the best team of the era 4 years in a row, and was a Draymond suspension away from losing all 4.

GS barely got by OKC that year. They just weren't that special. Adding Durant made them one of the goat teams though.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Game 5 was a huge momentum swing. The league only did it because LeBron has so much sway. They totally affected the trajectory of that series over a slight cheap shot. Not that Draymond isnt an idiot for doing it in the first place.

I find it funny that the Warriors beat LeBron once immediately before 2016 and twice directly after 2016, but LeBron fans point to 2016 and try and brag about him winning that one. He faced the best team of the era 4 years in a row, and was a Draymond suspension away from losing all 4.

You're speculating big time saying that he was suspended game 5 because Lebron had so much sway. This suspension happened because of a culmination of behavior from Draymond. He was a tough bully type and GS enjoyed the positives from that, but there is also the downside

Now let's talk facts. Warriors were up 3-1. Dray is gone for game five... how about 6 and 7? Game 7 was in Oakland. The momentum swing excuse is crap. A historically great team was heavily favored going into game 7. They needed to show up, they lost. Curry choked if we want to be honest here. Lebron won that series fair and square and it's his greatest accomplishment by far.

Originally posted by sacniner:

You're speculating big time saying that he was suspended game 5 because Lebron had so much sway. This suspension happened because of a culmination of behavior from Draymond.

The "behavior" was so bad that the refs didn't even award a foul. It wasn't until Lebron started crying that the league went back and looked at the play and retroactively issued a foul.

Stating what happened =/= speculating

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

The "behavior" was so bad that the refs didn't even award a foul. It wasn't until Lebron started crying that the league went back and looked at the play and retroactively issued a foul.

Stating what happened =/= speculating

Are you saying that Draymond only got suspended cause Bron was crying?

Maybe you're right, but you can't factually prove that so it's speculation

A fact is that the dubs were up 3-1 and lost three straight to lose the chip. Steph choked. Not being a dick, but to point to Dray being suspended in game five as the primary reason they lost is a joke. Also, Dray was at fault. He's matured over the years, but he acted like an idiot for a lot of that year. There are consequences.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

The "behavior" was so bad that the refs didn't even award a foul. It wasn't until Lebron started crying that the league went back and looked at the play and retroactively issued a foul.

Stating what happened =/= speculating

Are you saying that Draymond only got suspended cause Bron was crying?

Maybe you're right, but you can't factually prove that so it's speculation

A fact is that the dubs were up 3-1 and lost three straight to lose the chip. Steph choked. Not being a dick, but to point to Dray being suspended in game five as the primary reason they lost is a joke. Also, Dray was at fault. He's matured over the years, but he acted like an idiot for a lot of that year. There are consequences.

Draymond was walking a fine line at that time. They suspended because he had been pulling that crap far too frequently. It was his own fault