2017-2018 NBA Season

And he called out klove who's having a career year in efficiency, shooting %, points and rebounds? IT is garbage in more ways than one. He should be playing at a 24 hour fitness.

He averaged 19 shots a game last year and scored 29ppg. Saying he needs 20+ shots to put up 20 points is underselling him by a ton.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Because he is hurt. If you mean he is a garbage all around player when healthy, thank you for making it clear we should just ignore your posts moving forward.

He's a great scorer when healthy. He had a magical year in Boston, but in reality he is a solely a one way player. He is a volume scorer, who is an extremely streaky shooter.

He's good on offense, but boy what a step down from Kyrie healthy or not.

I'd like you to elaborate on this. Assuming IT was healthy, why is he a step down? Kyrie is a terrible defensive player who doesnt pass either.

Originally posted by Watters32:
When healthy, garbage. Taking 20+ shots a game to score 20 points? A ghost on defense even with effort and awareness? Turnovers in the paint, getting blocked like Minecraft? Garbage.

Dude he isn't "garbage." Come on man, calm down. I do think his time in Boston will be the best year of his career. He was a good fit there...

The Cavs are checked out. Even Bron. Lue is a garbage coach

Lue and IT both need to go. They remind me of spoiled milk with expired donuts.

Originally posted by Watters32:

And he called out klove who's having a career year in efficiency, shooting %, points and rebounds? IT is garbage in more ways than one. He should be playing at a 24 hour fitness.

Problem isn't that he called out anyone. When team is playing like s**t - it's sometimes good to air it out.

What's not right is that things discussed in the meeting got leaked to media. That's not cool at all. And I know ppl will blame Lebron for it but stuff was getting leaked in Cleveland before Lebron got there the 2nd time.

You can't call out klove when tlue thought it would be a great idea to play him at the 5 , even with that still having a career year on the offensive side.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Problem isn't that he called out anyone. When team is playing like s**t - it's sometimes good to air it out.

What's not right is that things discussed in the meeting got leaked to media. That's not cool at all. And I know ppl will blame Lebron for it but stuff was getting leaked in Cleveland before Lebron got there the 2nd time.

That entire team is checked out right now, and its obvious. No cohesion on offense. They just stand around. They're a joke on defense. What is Lue doing?

Jr smith btw, starting every game...

Is by far the worst player in the nba right now.
The guy is avg like 6 pts/gm from the sg position?
Atrocious player, tlue should be prisoned for playing him.

JR Smith shouldn't see the court

IT should come off the bench

Crowder off the bench

Thompson needs to decide if he wants to play basketball anymore

Dwade, Jeff green need to start for defensive abilities and inside game

Without trade:

1 wade
2 green
3 James
4 love
5 Thompson

Solves the defense

Originally posted by Watters32:
JR Smith shouldn't see the court

IT should come off the bench

Crowder off the bench

Thompson needs to decide if he wants to play basketball anymore

Dwade, Jeff green need to start for defensive abilities and inside game

Without trade:

1 wade
2 green
3 James
4 love
5 Thompson

Solves the defense

Improves.

Wade and Green are plus defenders at the guard positions, green can guard 1-5. Feelings being hurt is why they aren't starters. Jr smith was butthurt when wade started the season at the 2.

Originally posted by Watters32:

Jr smith btw, starting every game...

Is by far the worst player in the nba right now.
The guy is avg like 6 pts/gm from the sg position?
Atrocious player, tlue should be prisoned for playing him.

So much this. Not sure if he's really interested in playing anymore.

Originally posted by Watters32:
Wade and Green are plus defenders at the guard positions, green can guard 1-5. Feelings being hurt is why they aren't starters. Jr smith was butthurt when wade started the season at the 2.

Among guards in the NBA, Wade is 29th in Defensive Real Plus Minus, 133rd in Defensive Rating and 104th in Defensive Win Shares.

Among forwards in the NBA, Green is 154th in Defensive Real Plus Minus, 155th in Defensive Rating and 108th in Defensive Win Shares.

Among centers in the NBA, Thompson is 71st in Defensive Real Plus Minus, 93rd in Defensive Rating and 83rd in Defensive Win Shares.

All of these "plus defenders" you think that will solve the Cavs defensive woes arent statistically good defenders. Sorry man, the Cavs have far too many average to bad to terrible defensive players on their roster. How you shuffle them into starting or bench positions isnt going to matter.