Lebron vs. His Airness

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Until LeBron matches the chips Kobe's acquired he gotta take the back seat to him. Sorry but that's just the way leaders are measured. I fully believe LeBron has the potential to pass Kobe and maybe one day MJ but he's gotta do it first and so far he has come up short on the court. Off the court I feel he is a better person than either guy but we talking ball here not likeability

What if he loses again? He would be 2 for 6 in the Finals. He would have to do a lot of winning then, if he wants to be even mentioned with Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, let a lone Kobe or MJ.

As a pure NBA talent, I think he's the greatest, but he's just not the best basketball player ever. Same logic would also apply to Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders, majority of people would agree that neither of them are the greatest of all time, but both had the greatest talent.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Until LeBron matches the chips Kobe's acquired he gotta take the back seat to him. Sorry but that's just the way leaders are measured. I fully believe LeBron has the potential to pass Kobe and maybe one day MJ but he's gotta do it first and so far he has come up short on the court. Off the court I feel he is a better person than either guy but we talking ball here not likeability

What if he loses again? He would be 2 for 6 in the Finals. He would have to do a lot of winning then, if he wants to be even mentioned with Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, let a lone Kobe or MJ.

As a pure NBA talent, I think he's the greatest, but he's just not the best basketball player ever. Same logic would also apply to Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders, majority of people would agree that neither of them are the greatest of all time, but both had the greatest talent.

In some people's eyes, that is a ridiculously better accomplishment then let's say going 4 for 4 in the Finals because the fact that they even went to the Finals is an accomplishment in of itself. I don't know about this. In my opinion, getting to the biggest game of your life and not being able to execute a win is a failure, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life. No one wants to experience that too much. And no one remembers the second place winner unless you are the Bills or the Seahawks.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Until LeBron matches the chips Kobe's acquired he gotta take the back seat to him. Sorry but that's just the way leaders are measured. I fully believe LeBron has the potential to pass Kobe and maybe one day MJ but he's gotta do it first and so far he has come up short on the court. Off the court I feel he is a better person than either guy but we talking ball here not likeability

What if he loses again? He would be 2 for 6 in the Finals. He would have to do a lot of winning then, if he wants to be even mentioned with Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, let a lone Kobe or MJ.

As a pure NBA talent, I think he's the greatest, but he's just not the best basketball player ever. Same logic would also apply to Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders, majority of people would agree that neither of them are the greatest of all time, but both had the greatest talent.

In some people's eyes, that is a ridiculously better accomplishment then let's say going 4 for 4 in the Finals because the fact that they even went to the Finals is an accomplishment in of itself. I don't know about this. In my opinion, getting to the biggest game of your life and not being able to execute a win is a failure, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life. No one wants to experience that too much. And no one remembers the second place winner unless you are the Bills or the Seahawks.

Ya, to some extent though. In the NFL, that would be a good accomplishment, not great, but good. Look at all the hate Brady was getting because he lost some SB games, and remember all the talk how if he didn't win that SB against the Seahawks, it would've affected his legacy.

I think in basketball, it's even more of a big deal to win those finals. When you look at, MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, all of these guys had good records in the finals, a big reason why the are considered all time greats, imo.

If you're considered the greatest player on the planet at that time, (like Lebron is rightfully so right now) you are expected to win. Basketball, is one of the few team sports when one guy can make that huge of a difference. NFL, NHL, MLB, you can have the best player in the world on your team, but that doesn't mean you will win or even be the favorites in certain games.

I'm not saying Lebron should win the 'ship if he has a bunch of summer league players around him, but this isn't a bad Cleveland team he's on, he needs to win this 'ship. And he definitely can't have another repeat of last years finals, where he has 18 TOs to only 14 Assits (first 4 games) and almost gets swept.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Until LeBron matches the chips Kobe's acquired he gotta take the back seat to him. Sorry but that's just the way leaders are measured. I fully believe LeBron has the potential to pass Kobe and maybe one day MJ but he's gotta do it first and so far he has come up short on the court. Off the court I feel he is a better person than either guy but we talking ball here not likeability

What if he loses again? He would be 2 for 6 in the Finals. He would have to do a lot of winning then, if he wants to be even mentioned with Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, let a lone Kobe or MJ.

As a pure NBA talent, I think he's the greatest, but he's just not the best basketball player ever. Same logic would also apply to Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders, majority of people would agree that neither of them are the greatest of all time, but both had the greatest talent.

In some people's eyes, that is a ridiculously better accomplishment then let's say going 4 for 4 in the Finals because the fact that they even went to the Finals is an accomplishment in of itself. I don't know about this. In my opinion, getting to the biggest game of your life and not being able to execute a win is a failure, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life. No one wants to experience that too much. And no one remembers the second place winner unless you are the Bills or the Seahawks.

Ya, to some extent though. In the NFL, that would be a good accomplishment, not great, but good. Look at all the hate Brady was getting because he lost some SB games, and remember all the talk how if he didn't win that SB against the Seahawks, it would've affected his legacy.

I think in basketball, it's even more of a big deal to win those finals. When you look at, MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, all of these guys had good records in the finals, a big reason why the are considered all time greats, imo.

If you're considered the greatest player on the planet at that time, (like Lebron is rightfully so right now) you are expected to win. Basketball, is one of the few team sports when one guy can make that huge of a difference. NFL, NHL, MLB, you can have the best player in the world on your team, but that doesn't mean you will win or even be the favorites in certain games.

I'm not saying Lebron should win the 'ship if he has a bunch of summer league players around him, but this isn't a bad Cleveland team he's on, he needs to win this 'ship. And he definitely can't have another repeat of last years finals, where he has 18 TOs to only 14 Assits (first 4 games) and almost gets swept.

This cleveland team without Lebron and one foot Irving is a 30 win team.

JR smith , Dellevedova, Shumpert?? Lol

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Until LeBron matches the chips Kobe's acquired he gotta take the back seat to him. Sorry but that's just the way leaders are measured. I fully believe LeBron has the potential to pass Kobe and maybe one day MJ but he's gotta do it first and so far he has come up short on the court. Off the court I feel he is a better person than either guy but we talking ball here not likeability

What if he loses again? He would be 2 for 6 in the Finals. He would have to do a lot of winning then, if he wants to be even mentioned with Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, let a lone Kobe or MJ.

As a pure NBA talent, I think he's the greatest, but he's just not the best basketball player ever. Same logic would also apply to Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders, majority of people would agree that neither of them are the greatest of all time, but both had the greatest talent.

In some people's eyes, that is a ridiculously better accomplishment then let's say going 4 for 4 in the Finals because the fact that they even went to the Finals is an accomplishment in of itself. I don't know about this. In my opinion, getting to the biggest game of your life and not being able to execute a win is a failure, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life. No one wants to experience that too much. And no one remembers the second place winner unless you are the Bills or the Seahawks.

Ya, to some extent though. In the NFL, that would be a good accomplishment, not great, but good. Look at all the hate Brady was getting because he lost some SB games, and remember all the talk how if he didn't win that SB against the Seahawks, it would've affected his legacy.

I think in basketball, it's even more of a big deal to win those finals. When you look at, MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, all of these guys had good records in the finals, a big reason why the are considered all time greats, imo.

If you're considered the greatest player on the planet at that time, (like Lebron is rightfully so right now) you are expected to win. Basketball, is one of the few team sports when one guy can make that huge of a difference. NFL, NHL, MLB, you can have the best player in the world on your team, but that doesn't mean you will win or even be the favorites in certain games.

I'm not saying Lebron should win the 'ship if he has a bunch of summer league players around him, but this isn't a bad Cleveland team he's on, he needs to win this 'ship. And he definitely can't have another repeat of last years finals, where he has 18 TOs to only 14 Assits (first 4 games) and almost gets swept.

This cleveland team without Lebron and one foot Irving is a 30 win team.

JR smith , Dellevedova, Shumpert?? Lol

And the Rockets without Howard/Harden are a 30 win team. Mavs without Ellis / Dirk are a 30 win team. Portland without LA and Lillard are a 30 win team. GSW without Curry and Thompson are a 30 win team. Should I keep going? Though, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

And the Rockets without Howard/Harden are a 30 win team. Mavs without Ellis / Dirk are a 30 win team. Portland without LA and Lillard are a 30 win team. GSW without Curry and Thompson are a 30 win team. Should I keep going? Though, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

This team is not good other than Lebron. I meant the team minus Lebron is 30 win team (hurt Irving included on 30 win team).

Lebron not winning this one does not hurt his legacy. Not winning last year and against the Mavs certainly does.

On the other hand , the way he loses this one will down grade or upgrade his legacy.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
And the Rockets without Howard/Harden are a 30 win team. Mavs without Ellis / Dirk are a 30 win team. Portland without LA and Lillard are a 30 win team. GSW without Curry and Thompson are a 30 win team. Should I keep going? Though, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

This team is not good other than Lebron. I meant the team minus Lebron is 30 win team (hurt Irving included on 30 win team).

Lebron not winning this one does not hurt his legacy. Not winning last year and against the Mavs certainly does.

On the other hand , the way he loses this one will down grade or upgrade his legacy.

Does not compute.

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
And the Rockets without Howard/Harden are a 30 win team. Mavs without Ellis / Dirk are a 30 win team. Portland without LA and Lillard are a 30 win team. GSW without Curry and Thompson are a 30 win team. Should I keep going? Though, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

This team is not good other than Lebron. I meant the team minus Lebron is 30 win team (hurt Irving included on 30 win team).

Lebron not winning this one does not hurt his legacy. Not winning last year and against the Mavs certainly does.

On the other hand , the way he loses this one will down grade or upgrade his legacy.

Does not compute.

I think it's funny how much praise LeBron's gotten this postseason, considering he's been a volume shooter on low efficiency. 25 shots per game on 42.8% from the field. Kobe would get killed for that. In reality, LeBron's doing what he's gotta do, and he's made life a whole lot easier for his team by playing this way. It's just ironic.

Jordan would of nailed that last shot

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I think it's funny how much praise LeBron's gotten this postseason, considering he's been a volume shooter on low efficiency. 25 shots per game on 42.8% from the field. Kobe would get killed for that. In reality, LeBron's doing what he's gotta do, and he's made life a whole lot easier for his team by playing this way. It's just ironic.

it is ironic isnt it? a whole lot of iso ball tonight

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

And the Rockets without Howard/Harden are a 30 win team. Mavs without Ellis / Dirk are a 30 win team. Portland without LA and Lillard are a 30 win team. GSW without Curry and Thompson are a 30 win team. Should I keep going? Though, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

This team is not good other than Lebron. I meant the team minus Lebron is 30 win team (hurt Irving included on 30 win team).

Lebron not winning this one does not hurt his legacy. Not winning last year and against the Mavs certainly does.

On the other hand , the way he loses this one will down grade or upgrade his legacy.

Does not compute.

Seriously, wtf? lol

Originally posted by bors:
Jordan would of nailed that last shot

Yup he wouldve crossed Iggy shoved him aside like Bryan Russell and nailed the J. To LBJ credit he is better this year than last. If he loses it will be to the tune of multiple 40 burgers and a ton of elbowing and physical play. This is closer to the LeBron I want to see. That's what's been missing. He still can stand to be a bit more vicious though but this is a step in the right direction. I just didn't like the way he list last year while allowing Kawhi to check him one on one get the best of him and shine to the chip and MVP. That ain't happening this year

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by bors:
Jordan would of nailed that last shot

Yup he wouldve crossed Iggy shoved him aside like Bryan Russell and nailed the J. To LBJ credit he is better this year than last. If he loses it will be to the tune of multiple 40 burgers and a ton of elbowing and physical play. This is closer to the LeBron I want to see. That's what's been missing. He still can stand to be a bit more vicious though but this is a step in the right direction. I just didn't like the way he list last year while allowing Kawhi to check him one on one get the best of him and shine to the chip and MVP. That ain't happening this year

Jordan would have won the series 3-0 because the other team would have forfeited game 4.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Jordan would have won the series 3-0 because the other team would have forfeited game 4.

Now you're exaggerating! I was pulling for MIA last year because D Wade has been my favorite player since he hit the league and I've always liked the way Riley built his teams. That said LBJ was the lead horse in MIA and will be wherever he plays. My problem with him last year wasn't that he lost because he lost to a team that was clearly better. Keep in mind with a healthier Wade the year before he actually beat SAS in 7 games. I had issue with him not taking it to Kawhi one on one and down the stretch of games. I kept waiting for LeBron to bully Kawhi and let Pop know that if you keep Leonard on me I'm bout to get touches in the paint and work this kid on the low block and the elbows. I wanted LeBron to either drop 40 on Kawhi or force Pop to consider sending a double consistently at Lebron so he could make plays for others. LeBron never asserted himself in that way and allowed Kawhi to check him one on one and then because LeBron never worked him as he should have Kawhi was then very efficient on the offensive end. He took LeBrons cookies the chip and the MVP. That should not have happened. Lebron should have averaged 30 and forced Kawhi to under 38% from the floor. I don't have raw stats but what I saw was a LeBron that got to a point where he had accepted his fate ala CLE and tuned out. I'm watching this series if he does the same. It's happened on multiple occasions. And I keep saying LeBron is still getting better as a player yet someone here keeps telling me no