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Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

You can also turn this around and say "Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito?"

Originally posted by Niner_Demon:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

You can also turn this around and say "Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito?"

I explained above, Floyd had to drop Top Rank (Margo's promoter) to get at DLH for 3X the cash. Floyd had bigger plans than Margo.

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by Niner_Demon:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

You can also turn this around and say "Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito?"

I explained above, Floyd had to drop Top Rank (Margo's promoter) to get at DLH for 3X the cash. Floyd had bigger plans than Margo.

This was after the Delahoya fight. Anyways it doesn't matter now. This fight will be for the real welterweight title. You can argue even the real pound for pound title too.

Originally posted by Niner_Demon:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by Niner_Demon:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

You can also turn this around and say "Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito?"

I explained above, Floyd had to drop Top Rank (Margo's promoter) to get at DLH for 3X the cash. Floyd had bigger plans than Margo.

This was after the Delahoya fight. Anyways it doesn't matter now. This fight will be for the real welterweight title. You can argue even the real pound for pound title too.

Nah the whole Margarito thing was in 2006, the Oscar fight went down in 2007.

Wouldn't that be some s**t if Mosley wins.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

B/C Shane was scheduled to fight Berto before Berto dropped the fight, so Shane became available after Pacman had already lined up and signed a fight with Clottey.

Originally posted by jones49:
Wouldn't that be some s**t if Mosley wins.

Won't happen...though this will be a great gauge for how Manny's aggressive style will fair. If it's a close bout, then Pacman will definitely have an advantage. If Flyod completely destroys Mosely, Pacman might have to change his style.

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

B/C Shane was scheduled to fight Berto before Berto dropped the fight, so Shane became available after Pacman had already lined up and signed a fight with Clottey.

Shane did call out Pac before they put together the Cotto fight. He was willing to fight for next to nothing... and all the way down at 140.

That's no knock on Pac for taking the easier fight in Cotto, he's just doing what Floyd's been doing, taking the big money fight.

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

B/C Shane was scheduled to fight Berto before Berto dropped the fight, so Shane became available after Pacman had already lined up and signed a fight with Clottey.

Shane did call out Pac before they put together the Cotto fight. He was willing to fight for next to nothing... and all the way down at 140.

That's no knock on Pac for taking the easier fight in Cotto, he's just doing what Floyd's been doing, taking the big money fight.

You mean take the fight with the guy who beat Mosely?

Yeah that's really an easier fight... Just because you're on Floyd's nuts doesn't mean you get to make obnoxious comments.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Pacman fan and can be bias, but I'm not saying s**t like:

"Floyd should've fought Mosely/Margarito/[insert name here] years ago and is the duck-king"

or

"Pacman knocked out Hatton in two rounds and made De la Hoya stop the match in 8 rounds, so he's better than Floyd."

Floyd is a great fighter, but right now I think Pacman is better. Floyd is fighting a tough Shane Mosely and Pacman is fighting a defensive-heavy Clottey who many felt beat Cotto in their previous fight. But neither have faced a fighter of each others caliber before, which is why they should've fought each other.

Until they fight each other, if you're going to make FMJ vs Pacman comments, at least make them about the fighter, not how one wipes their ass faster than the other or who is willing to fight who. They both want money and we all love watching them fight....

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
I know. I'm just negating his claim that Floyd didn't wanna fight Mosley in his prime.

Floyd picks his fights carefully now. When he was coming up, he wasn't as careful. I don't care what words came out of his mouth when he called him out. Bottom line is the fight didn't happen. Unless you are a blind Floyd supporter, you cannot argue he basically ducks fights by being extremely careful who he fights.

I've followed boxing closely and I think it's bad timing and money more than anything. If we go back 5 years, he wanted to fight everybody. He wanted to get at Tzyui, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, DLH. All those guys didn't wanna get in the ring with him. Well, Hatton ruined the Tzyui fight Floyd had planned out. And Hatton and Cotto were a bit green at the time. Everybody wanted to see him fight Zab, and he made that fight. But before that fight Zab went and lost to Baldomir. After Zab he wanted to get at all those guys I mentioned. Hatton and Cotto were too green. Mosley ducked him, said he wanted to take some time off. He wanted badly to get at DLH, but DLH held him off for like a year before it finally went down. In the meantime, while he waited for DLH, he set up a fight with jr. middleweight Cory Spinks but it broke down, so he took on Baldomir, the guy that beat Zab. At the time, you can't say that was that bad of a choice, since Baldomir did beat the top welter at the time. Besides Mosley and Zab, the welterweight division wasn't really anything to write about back then.

Then he finally gets his break with DLH, and he cashes in BIG!!! Where does he go from there? There wasn't really a big money fight left except for Hatton, that undefeated guy with all of Britain behind him. Can't blame him for taking a money fight.

So he decides to take a break from the sport he's been doing since age 16, comes back, takes a tune-up fight with Marquez, and now he wants to fight Pac and Mosley. Ok, who exactly has he ducked?

All these fighters people talk about him ducking were either nobodies at the time, or they didn't want a piece of him.

I'll give you Paul Williams, but EVERYBODY in the welterweight division has ducked Paul Williams. Margarito was just a pawn to try and derail the DLH fight. Remember, Arum and Oscar weren't exactly friends back then. Only way for Mayweather to fight Oscar was for him to drop Top Rank, and he did.

This is why boxing needs one sanctioning body, then all of these cowards including steroid boy would have to fight Floyd. You are spot on though, none of the above wanted to see Floyd and now they are acting like they want some of him. Nothing has changed except for the payday involved with fighting FM. Sugar Shane could be the iceing on the cake, why didn't Pacman fight Shane Mosley?

B/C Shane was scheduled to fight Berto before Berto dropped the fight, so Shane became available after Pacman had already lined up and signed a fight with Clottey.

Shane did call out Pac before they put together the Cotto fight. He was willing to fight for next to nothing... and all the way down at 140.

That's no knock on Pac for taking the easier fight in Cotto, he's just doing what Floyd's been doing, taking the big money fight.

You mean take the fight with the guy who beat Mosely?

Yeah that's really an easier fight... Just because you're on Floyd's nuts doesn't mean you get to make obnoxious comments.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Pacman fan and can be bias, but I'm not saying s**t like:

"Floyd should've fought Mosely/Margarito/[insert name here] years ago and is the duck-king"

or

"Pacman knocked out Hatton in two rounds and made De la Hoya stop the match in 8 rounds, so he's better than Floyd."

Floyd is a great fighter, but right now I think Pacman is better. Floyd is fighting a tough Shane Mosely and Pacman is fighting a defensive-heavy Clottey who many felt beat Cotto in their previous fight. But neither have faced a fighter of each others caliber before, which is why they should've fought each other.

Until they fight each other, if you're going to make FMJ vs Pacman comments, at least make them about the fighter, not how one wipes their ass faster than the other or who is willing to fight who. They both want money and we all love watching them fight....

Nah man, styles make fights. I thought all along Cotto was ripe for the picking. I wasn't surprised at the outcome of the Cotto fight. It went down, pretty much how I thought it would. Now... if you asked me how I think a Mosley vs Pac fight was gonna go down, then I wouldn't know what to tell ya, I'd have to ponder it for a very long while.

That's why I'm saying that Cotto was the easier fight of the two. Even Master Roach agrees.

Originally posted by Master Roach:

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter."

Edit: I'd also like to add, I've never downplayed how good Manny is. If I've said Floyd is better than Manny, I think that because in a head-to-head matchup I'd personally favor Floyd's intangibles over Manny's. He's got the size/reach advantage. He's much better defensively than anyone Manny's fought in a long time, if ever. And he's got comparable speed, dude ain't a sitting duck out there.

Also, maybe I should have explained beforehand why I thought Cotto was the easier fight for Manny between Cotto and Mosley. I didn't mean it as trash talk against Manny, it was just really my opinion. Fact is Shane did call out Pac but Pac fought who he did.

And excuse me for "being on Floyd's nuts" . Just cuz you hate an athlete don't mean I can't be a fan of him. I think dude's entertaining as f**k when he is promoting his fights, as well as in the ring. Not everybody may like his style, that's not gonna dissuade my interest. I like all aspects of boxing, dude's the best at what he does.

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Nah man, styles make fights. I thought all along Cotto was ripe for the picking. I wasn't surprised at the outcome of the Cotto fight. It went down, pretty much how I thought it would. Now... if you asked me how I think a Mosley vs Pac fight was gonna go down, then I wouldn't know what to tell ya, I'd have to ponder it for a very long while.

That's why I'm saying that Cotto was the easier fight of the two. Even Master Roach agrees.

Originally posted by Master Roach:

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter."

So it wasn't because Manny had shown a strong right hand after Hatton? I knew Pacman was gonna knock out Cotto, but not b/c he was ripe for the picking, but b/c Pacman is better.

I'll give you credit for the Roach comment, so I'll retract my previous comment about ducking Mosely. I think he'd fight him now since Pacman's confidence is through the roof and is in the best shape of his career. Not to mention his technique is spotless, though I have to admit FMJ has the best boxing technique in the world.

^^^ I added a couple more things to my previous post.

And by ripe for the picking, I didn't mean that Cotto was any more susceptible at that point in time than he was before or anything. I just meant that Pac Man could beat him, so he took on him.

Again, no disrespect to Pac at all, he shouldn't be getting any sort of blame for taking on Cotto. Cotto's a top welter. Whether he was the right style for Manny, whatever, that's just how the fight goes down. Manny deserves all the credit in the world.

Anyway, back to my original points, Shane did call out Pac, and Cotto was the easier opponent for Manny(in my opinion, of course).

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
^^^ I added a couple more things to my previous post.

And by ripe for the picking, I didn't mean that Cotto was any more susceptible at that point in time than he was before or anything. I just meant that Pac Man could beat him, so he took on him.

Again, no disrespect to Pac at all, he shouldn't be getting any sort of blame for taking on Cotto. Cotto's a top welter. Whether he was the right style for Manny, whatever, that's just how the fight goes down. Manny deserves all the credit in the world.

Anyway, back to my original points, Shane did call out Pac, and Cotto was the easier opponent for Manny(in my opinion, of course).

I agree completely that Mosely was too strong at the time, mainly b/c Roach was getting Manny's right hand stronger and keep his speed while moving up in weight.
Now that his technique is solid, I think Pacman is a force and a half and after fighting Clottey will be ready for FMJ.


Let me ask you this silky, since I do enjoy your boxing insight, do you think both Pacman and FMJ chose these fighters on purpose or just for the payouts?

I think they each took these opponents to get ready for the other. Pacman picks up Clottey, whose defensive style can be difficult for overly-aggressive fighters like Pacman. By fighting a guy like Clottey, Pacman will have to be patient and keep his speed up so he can get in his shots, similarly to how he'd have to fight FMJ with his defensive quickness.

For FMJ, Shane has been a legitimate Welterweight contender for some time. But, his aggressive head-strong tactics are similar to Pacmans (though Pacman is extremely faster in comparison) and will allow FMJ to get into the groove to fight Pacman.

I know Pacman vs Clottey will sell a lot of tickets, but I have a huge feeling this fight will be the biggest blockbuster of the year.

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
^^^ I added a couple more things to my previous post.

And by ripe for the picking, I didn't mean that Cotto was any more susceptible at that point in time than he was before or anything. I just meant that Pac Man could beat him, so he took on him.

Again, no disrespect to Pac at all, he shouldn't be getting any sort of blame for taking on Cotto. Cotto's a top welter. Whether he was the right style for Manny, whatever, that's just how the fight goes down. Manny deserves all the credit in the world.

Anyway, back to my original points, Shane did call out Pac, and Cotto was the easier opponent for Manny(in my opinion, of course).

I agree completely that Mosely was too strong at the time, mainly b/c Roach was getting Manny's right hand stronger and keep his speed while moving up in weight.
Now that his technique is solid, I think Pacman is a force and a half and after fighting Clottey will be ready for FMJ.


Let me ask you this silky, since I do enjoy your boxing insight, do you think both Pacman and FMJ chose these fighters on purpose or just for the payouts?

I think they each took these opponents to get ready for the other. Pacman picks up Clottey, whose defensive style can be difficult for overly-aggressive fighters like Pacman. By fighting a guy like Clottey, Pacman will have to be patient and keep his speed up so he can get in his shots, similarly to how he'd have to fight FMJ with his defensive quickness.

For FMJ, Shane has been a legitimate Welterweight contender for some time. But, his aggressive head-strong tactics are similar to Pacmans (though Pacman is extremely faster in comparison) and will allow FMJ to get into the groove to fight Pacman.

I know Pacman vs Clottey will sell a lot of tickets, but I have a huge feeling this fight will be the biggest blockbuster of the year.

Honestly, I think it was really just a clash of two egos. It was a far from classy move for Floyd to suggest that Pac might be on steroids by demanding random testing. But what's done is done. What bothered me out of all of that was how Pac's team handled the whole situation and even entertained the thought of drug testing knowing they had no intention of succumbing to Floyd's request. There was really only two ways to handle it, 1) send Floyd packing from the very beginning and call him on his BS and tell him to come back with a better contract, or 2) take the random drug testing. The Pac team went about it all wrong by making a bunch of excuses and coming with counter-proposals that pretty much defeated the purpose of random testing. Whether Pac's really on that A-Side Meth or he refused to take the tests out of pride, I don't know, only he knows. Whatever the reason was, I think it was handled wrong.

Having said all that, with Top Rank's nice stable of welterweights, Pac obviously had an easier way out than to put up with all this (warranted or unwarranted) BS. Floyd, on the other hand, didn't have many options out there. He lucked out with the whole Andre Berto situation.

I always thought March was too soon for a FMJ/Pac fight. I was surprised at how smooth things seemed to be going up until the steroid issue escalated.

So to answer your question, I think it was two big egos that weren't getting their way and were really racing against the clock at that point. They were coming up on the two months needed for a proper training camp, so they decided to just move on and maybe do it at a later time.

I think they both took these fights both for the payout and because they made the most sense. These were the top two opponents available for both of them, both on skill and marketability.