Injuries 2026 (We've had enough!)

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If only the team was owned by a billionaire with a vested interest in figuring out why they've been the most injured team over the last decade+. I'm sure if the team was owned by someone like that, they'd spend a ton of money on researching the root causes of our higher than average injury numbers. They certainly wouldn't do nothing year after year and attribute it all to bad luck.

It's the training staff. There just saved millions.

Ok, maybe, but what are they doing wrong?

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

i mean just look at all the teams right now.. no team is 100% healthy and some have their key players hurt

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

Tonges' knee got inured when his leg hit Myles Garrett. So Myles Garrett must be in on this whole scam....
man, this conspiracy goes deep.
What do you think is causing the injuries?

IMO this isn't a black and white thing. It's not 100% that the training staff sucks. It's not entirely because of the fact that the team has made questionable decisions on bringing back players too early after injury (see Purdy & Pearsall recently). It's not entirely the substation.

What this all points to is a larger, mismanagement issue. Doesn't mean the franchise "sucks". In every single industry, every corporation and every sports team I've personally ever followed closely, there are areas they excel in & areas of opportunity. The Niners have a major area of opportunity when it comes to injuries and it's multi-layered. Amount of injuries - injured player management - substation - training staff. I'm sure I've missed a layer or two.

The point is, this franchise has proven they're not excelling in this area at all, not by any measure. The way forward is they have to understand and embrace that as a fact, then address the problem. IMO the way you do that is by bringing in outside experts, then building out their improvement plan from within with their supervision on planning & implementation.

Macro level, common sense based plan as I see it:

• Get rid of the substation is an obvious first step, that or move the practice field, just get away from the MF thing.
• Hire industry renowned training staff leadership. Hand over full control of staff hiring, injury management practices, doctors utilized and injury prevention plan to them. This team should have full control over when a player returns to action when any injury occurs whether off season, practice or in game. All potential player acquisitions medicals should go through them.
• Lynch, Shanahan or whoever makes player acquisitions decisions moving forward should be mandated by ownership that players with poor health grades not be acquired with full grading decision making being owned by the training staff

^That's how you manage the project and the obvious changes to point the franchise in the right direction IMO. A real tangible plan from real experts would include much greater nuance. Medical, workout and recovery equipment would need evaluated. The actual doctors and surgeons and medical stuff I don't even know about as a non-medical professional.

My main point here: Until the franchise addresses this head on, acknowledges they have a real problem and not just "bad luck", nothing material will change. My plan isn't gospel and before anyone calls it bad or cites other needs like I'm a fool for this not being a perfectly comprehensive plan; in plain English, I'm not a doctor, I'm in the corporate world as a mid-senior level quasi executive who understands what the framework of corporate issue solving management should look like. This is the basics. The Niners NEED to sit down and start this process.

Originally posted by matt49er:
IMO this isn't a black and white thing. It's not 100% that the training staff sucks. It's not entirely because of the fact that the team has made questionable decisions on bringing back players too early after injury (see Purdy & Pearsall recently). It's not entirely the substation.

What this all points to is a larger, mismanagement issue. Doesn't mean the franchise "sucks". In every single industry, every corporation and every sports team I've personally ever followed closely, there are areas they excel in & areas of opportunity. The Niners have a major area of opportunity when it comes to injuries and it's multi-layered. Amount of injuries - injured player management - substation - training staff. I'm sure I've missed a layer or two.

The point is, this franchise has proven they're not excelling in this area at all, not by any measure. The way forward is they have to understand and embrace that as a fact, then address the problem. IMO the way you do that is by bringing in outside experts, then building out their improvement plan from within with their supervision on planning & implementation.

Macro level, common sense based plan as I see it:

• Get rid of the substation is an obvious first step, that or move the practice field, just get away from the MF thing.
• Hire industry renowned training staff leadership. Hand over full control of staff hiring, injury management practices, doctors utilized and injury prevention plan to them. This team should have full control over when a player returns to action when any injury occurs whether off season, practice or in game. All potential player acquisitions medicals should go through them.
• Lynch, Shanahan or whoever makes player acquisitions decisions moving forward should be mandated by ownership that players with poor health grades not be acquired with full grading decision making being owned by the training staff

^That's how you manage the project and the obvious changes to point the franchise in the right direction IMO. A real tangible plan from real experts would include much greater nuance. Medical, workout and recovery equipment would need evaluated. The actual doctors and surgeons and medical stuff I don't even know about as a non-medical professional.

My main point here: Until the franchise addresses this head on, acknowledges they have a real problem and not just "bad luck", nothing material will change. My plan isn't gospel and before anyone calls it bad or cites other needs like I'm a fool for this not being a perfectly comprehensive plan; in plain English, I'm not a doctor, I'm in the corporate world as a mid-senior level quasi executive who understands what the framework of corporate issue solving management should look like. This is the basics. The Niners NEED to sit down and start this process.

I couldn't agree more.

If this was a one off year where we lost half the team then we can say it's a coincidence or bad luck or whatever. But it isn't. It's 10 straight years of this.

This is not common though out the NFL

One week down and we have 2 starters out for the year and 8 key backups out for 3 more weeks.

Originally posted by matt49er:
IMO this isn't a black and white thing. It's not 100% that the training staff sucks. It's not entirely because of the fact that the team has made questionable decisions on bringing back players too early after injury (see Purdy & Pearsall recently). It's not entirely the substation.

What this all points to is a larger, mismanagement issue. Doesn't mean the franchise "sucks". In every single industry, every corporation and every sports team I've personally ever followed closely, there are areas they excel in & areas of opportunity. The Niners have a major area of opportunity when it comes to injuries and it's multi-layered. Amount of injuries - injured player management - substation - training staff. I'm sure I've missed a layer or two.

The point is, this franchise has proven they're not excelling in this area at all, not by any measure. The way forward is they have to understand and embrace that as a fact, then address the problem. IMO the way you do that is by bringing in outside experts, then building out their improvement plan from within with their supervision on planning & implementation.

Macro level, common sense based plan as I see it:

• Get rid of the substation is an obvious first step, that or move the practice field, just get away from the MF thing.
• Hire industry renowned training staff leadership. Hand over full control of staff hiring, injury management practices, doctors utilized and injury prevention plan to them. This team should have full control over when a player returns to action when any injury occurs whether off season, practice or in game. All potential player acquisitions medicals should go through them.
• Lynch, Shanahan or whoever makes player acquisitions decisions moving forward should be mandated by ownership that players with poor health grades not be acquired with full grading decision making being owned by the training staff

^That's how you manage the project and the obvious changes to point the franchise in the right direction IMO. A real tangible plan from real experts would include much greater nuance. Medical, workout and recovery equipment would need evaluated. The actual doctors and surgeons and medical stuff I don't even know about as a non-medical professional.

My main point here: Until the franchise addresses this head on, acknowledges they have a real problem and not just "bad luck", nothing material will change. My plan isn't gospel and before anyone calls it bad or cites other needs like I'm a fool for this not being a perfectly comprehensive plan; in plain English, I'm not a doctor, I'm in the corporate world as a mid-senior level quasi executive who understands what the framework of corporate issue solving management should look like. This is the basics. The Niners NEED to sit down and start this process.

Holy chat gpt and the substation.. really ? lol

To put in short, the 9ers have done their research, hired different staff and spent millions on upgrades.

yet they don't get credit for star players being ready by week 1. Even players like Kittle have gone out their way to give the staff credit.

The truth is that every individual and every individual play is its own circumstance. There is no overall pattern. This isn't 15 players all getting a staff infection and being able to point to a common cause.

The quicker one accepts as human beings you are not in control of the universe the better.

Originally posted by captveg:
The truth is that every individual and every individual play is its own circumstance. There is no overall pattern. This isn't 15 players all getting a staff infection and being able to point to a common cause.

The quicker one accepts as human beings you are not in control of the universe the better.

Injuries have been so common since Kyle's been head coach, you almost have to plan for them. I just hope they've put enough raw talent behind the starters so the injuries uncover gems instead of leading to game losses. Purdy being the best example of injuries helping the team, not hurting them.

Guys like Braden Willis and Kalil Dinkens may be diamonds in the rough. Tonges was discovered because Kittle was injured. An elbow injury and a high ankle sprain to starting left guard Ben Bartch caused Kyle to put in rookie Connor Colby at left guard last year, and now we got what looks like a pretty good left guard(if the Rams win is any indication.)

ShanaLynch has to use these injuries to our benefit not our detriment.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

i mean just look at all the teams right now.. no team is 100% healthy and some have their key players hurt

But how many of those same teams have been decimated by injuries every year for 10 straight years??

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

i mean just look at all the teams right now.. no team is 100% healthy and some have their key players hurt

But how many of those same teams have been decimated by injuries every year for 10 straight years??

Yeah I bet none of them can field an All IR Team like we can.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

i mean just look at all the teams right now.. no team is 100% healthy and some have their key players hurt

But how many of those same teams have been decimated by injuries every year for 10 straight years??

Yeah I bet none of them can field an All IR Team like we can.

While we suffered a decent amount, most of the injuries happened in games. Incidents that you can't prepare for.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
"the NFL is a rough sport"
"this is normal"
"all teams deal with this many injuries"
"next man up"

denial denial denial denial

i mean just look at all the teams right now.. no team is 100% healthy and some have their key players hurt

But how many of those same teams have been decimated by injuries every year for 10 straight years??

It hasn't been 10 straight years. The Niners were one of the healthier teams when they went to the SB during tha period. That's one reason they got there. Teams that make it that far have to stay relatively healthy. I say relatively because no team is 100% by the end of the year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by matt49er:
IMO this isn't a black and white thing. It's not 100% that the training staff sucks. It's not entirely because of the fact that the team has made questionable decisions on bringing back players too early after injury (see Purdy & Pearsall recently). It's not entirely the substation.

What this all points to is a larger, mismanagement issue. Doesn't mean the franchise "sucks". In every single industry, every corporation and every sports team I've personally ever followed closely, there are areas they excel in & areas of opportunity. The Niners have a major area of opportunity when it comes to injuries and it's multi-layered. Amount of injuries - injured player management - substation - training staff. I'm sure I've missed a layer or two.

The point is, this franchise has proven they're not excelling in this area at all, not by any measure. The way forward is they have to understand and embrace that as a fact, then address the problem. IMO the way you do that is by bringing in outside experts, then building out their improvement plan from within with their supervision on planning & implementation.

Macro level, common sense based plan as I see it:

• Get rid of the substation is an obvious first step, that or move the practice field, just get away from the MF thing.
• Hire industry renowned training staff leadership. Hand over full control of staff hiring, injury management practices, doctors utilized and injury prevention plan to them. This team should have full control over when a player returns to action when any injury occurs whether off season, practice or in game. All potential player acquisitions medicals should go through them.
• Lynch, Shanahan or whoever makes player acquisitions decisions moving forward should be mandated by ownership that players with poor health grades not be acquired with full grading decision making being owned by the training staff

^That's how you manage the project and the obvious changes to point the franchise in the right direction IMO. A real tangible plan from real experts would include much greater nuance. Medical, workout and recovery equipment would need evaluated. The actual doctors and surgeons and medical stuff I don't even know about as a non-medical professional.

My main point here: Until the franchise addresses this head on, acknowledges they have a real problem and not just "bad luck", nothing material will change. My plan isn't gospel and before anyone calls it bad or cites other needs like I'm a fool for this not being a perfectly comprehensive plan; in plain English, I'm not a doctor, I'm in the corporate world as a mid-senior level quasi executive who understands what the framework of corporate issue solving management should look like. This is the basics. The Niners NEED to sit down and start this process.

Holy chat gpt and the substation.. really ? lol

To put in short, the 9ers have done their research, hired different staff and spent millions on upgrades.

yet they don't get credit for star players being ready by week 1. Even players like Kittle have gone out their way to give the staff credit.

Doing one thing right doesn't excuse the wrongs nor the pattern we've seen in the entire Shanahan / Lynch tenure. You're absolutely correct, the team should get credit for how they handled the vets this year to get most of them on the field week 1. In no way does that erase the mistakes they've made - and keep making (see Pearsall, Purdy, Stribling as cited in my original post). Even fans that don't think this is a major issue have to acknowledge it's not a strength of the team. It's a weakness & a pretty clear one at that. IDK how anyone can see this and not want to see a major change plan put in place by this organization.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by matt49er:
IMO this isn't a black and white thing. It's not 100% that the training staff sucks. It's not entirely because of the fact that the team has made questionable decisions on bringing back players too early after injury (see Purdy & Pearsall recently). It's not entirely the substation.

What this all points to is a larger, mismanagement issue. Doesn't mean the franchise "sucks". In every single industry, every corporation and every sports team I've personally ever followed closely, there are areas they excel in & areas of opportunity. The Niners have a major area of opportunity when it comes to injuries and it's multi-layered. Amount of injuries - injured player management - substation - training staff. I'm sure I've missed a layer or two.

The point is, this franchise has proven they're not excelling in this area at all, not by any measure. The way forward is they have to understand and embrace that as a fact, then address the problem. IMO the way you do that is by bringing in outside experts, then building out their improvement plan from within with their supervision on planning & implementation.

Macro level, common sense based plan as I see it:

• Get rid of the substation is an obvious first step, that or move the practice field, just get away from the MF thing.
• Hire industry renowned training staff leadership. Hand over full control of staff hiring, injury management practices, doctors utilized and injury prevention plan to them. This team should have full control over when a player returns to action when any injury occurs whether off season, practice or in game. All potential player acquisitions medicals should go through them.
• Lynch, Shanahan or whoever makes player acquisitions decisions moving forward should be mandated by ownership that players with poor health grades not be acquired with full grading decision making being owned by the training staff

^That's how you manage the project and the obvious changes to point the franchise in the right direction IMO. A real tangible plan from real experts would include much greater nuance. Medical, workout and recovery equipment would need evaluated. The actual doctors and surgeons and medical stuff I don't even know about as a non-medical professional.

My main point here: Until the franchise addresses this head on, acknowledges they have a real problem and not just "bad luck", nothing material will change. My plan isn't gospel and before anyone calls it bad or cites other needs like I'm a fool for this not being a perfectly comprehensive plan; in plain English, I'm not a doctor, I'm in the corporate world as a mid-senior level quasi executive who understands what the framework of corporate issue solving management should look like. This is the basics. The Niners NEED to sit down and start this process.

I couldn't agree more.

If this was a one off year where we lost half the team then we can say it's a coincidence or bad luck or whatever. But it isn't. It's 10 straight years of this.

This is not common though out the NFL

Right. There is a reason why the NFL players poll has always rated the Niners training staff at the bottom of the league every single year of this regimes tenure. Time for changes.