Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Chance:
Coming in from a I-know-none-of-these-prospects state of mind, I find it odd that a guy who runs a 4.34, is big, physical blocker, dominant in 50/50 balls, great hands, lunch-pale attitude was not thought of more highly in mock draft circles. Seems like a high floor, high ceiling player totally worthy of being drafted at the top of the 2nd round. I mean, if he had elite agility, he'd be talked about a top 10 pick. Anyway, my point is, everyone that's stressed out about someone they know nohting about are only stressed because make-up mock boards didn't value him where certain teams may have. Oh well. This guy has the size of Puka Nacua who was mocked as a 5-7th round prospect, but is considerably faster. So I guess, let's maybe have a little perspective and patience, and some faith that our talent evaluators have an inside read on the guy.
Ceiling: Puka Nacua with speed
Floor: Juan Jennings with speed
All aboard!
Not a bad take. If he had played at one of the football powers he likely would have been viewed higher. That has a lot to do with perceptions. If he had played at Washington instead of Washington State or Oklahoma instead of OSU he would have been better known since those schools get more attention. Imagine if he had played at Bama instead of Mississippi State.
It's a good take. The only thing that made him drop some is because he doesn't have great agility and Ole Miss was a powerhouse on offense last year with 5 guys getting over 600 yards and one was close to 400, and a great running attack, so he couldn't put the great numbers you would expect if you're gonna draft someone high.
My only issue with the pick is that we had more important positions to fill with some good players still there, especially Oregon's Safety (if we didn't trade back)
My guess is they aren't sold on Ricky's ability to stay healthy, and Kirk has also gotten banged up the last 2 years.
Kirk is only on a one year deal though. I'm fine with taking a receiver. I'd just rather have a day 1 starter at pick 33.
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
On the subject of Stribling, I can see him being anything from a marginal contributor at worse to a really good number 1 for his career. Stated before that the package is nice- he has size, speed, contested catch ability, can be moved around, and can block, but I just don't see him as the 33rd best player in this draft. I don't even think he would've been taken at 58 if we kept that pick. I hope we are all proven wrong.
That is the thing tho....
No one, period....no one can predict the top 50 players in a draft. Everyone is going to get picks wrong, and we have all seen many, many late round draft choices turn into exceptional players
Trying to split hairs between top of a round 2 and bottom of a round 2...on draft night.... is pure folly
I think bagging on a team's draft is 100 percent fair game, because we have all seen every HOF coach/GM that has ever existed make major blunders in the draft. But in reality picking a dude half a round early is hardly a major screw up. The dude will either shine or bust. in 5 years, No one is going to care if the dude was snagged 20 picks to early.
It is going to come down to the dude is either an NFL quality player, or he is not. Only trolls are going to say...yeah he looks legit, but damn he was taken 20 picks to early.
I think it's more of no one 100% knows the the top 50 picks. A few guys rise and a few guys fall every year, but for the most part, there is a good idea of about where everyone is rated. Otherwise, drafts and trades would be all over the place for all teams because there is no generally agreed upon value for anyone.
Splitting hairs is complaining about pick 27 verses 30 or 30 verses 33. But 20 + spots is almost a full round. That is not splitting hairs. If you take the biggest bust/worst draft pick for every single franchise and drop that player's draft spot by 20 to 60 spots, it's almost a nonstory for both teams. So yes, the position matters- even if you bust.
I've stated that I like Stribling's traits and that at worst, he will be a marginal contributor (4th receiver is my floor). At best, I can see him being a number 1. So I'm not against the player, but no one had him at 33 and this team has had its issues with draft value, particularly over the last five drafts. When obvious players are better, we aren't talking hindsight here (like Aaron Banks over Creed Humphrey or Javon Kinlaw over Wirfs), these types of decisions change the trajectory for the team. It is what has allowed Seattle to leapfrog us and for the Rams to pull pass us, even though Kyle through the grace of his coaching alone, manages to stay close to the pack.
Also, when you think that we can potentially trade down with some of these picks, address our biggest weaknesses, and still get virtually everyone we drafted over the last three days, it makes the reaching even worse. There is a world where we could have Chase Bisonitis, Stribling, Height, Black, etc. I'd argue possibly Bisonitis and Dunker, along with most of the other guys, if still not all of them. It's a completely differently reality once you mix in what we have done on Dline (which I love). Could've brought a Jennings like attitude to the O-line. The opportunities were there and we passed.
JD!