Has our window closed?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by English:
In these days of free agency, I don't believe in the existence of a SB window. The worst team can be turned around and ready to challenge within 2 or 3 years.

Honestly, this.

The Patriots were 4-13 last season. 4-13. They are now less than 4 hours of really good football away from a title.

The Patriots spent $280 millionin free agency last year. They rebuilt their defense and added some solid vets on offense. Mike Vrabel brought in a new attitude. Drake Maye had a full year under his belt. All this helped them turn things around. A weak schedule helped a lot too.

The Niners don't have a ton to spend in free agency. They don't have high draft picks Their schedule will probably be toughe rnext season.

Can you at least agree that jumping from 4-13 to playing in the Super Bowl is a much more massive jump than 12-5/Divisional loss to playing in the Super Bowl? If we were 4-13 just like the Patriots last season I could see your point. My point is if that big of a turnaround in one offseason is possible then it's pretty hard to gauge where we'll be in 2026. Meaning it's premature to say any window is "closed." The only window that got closed is for winning this season.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Well I wish someone would close the dang thing. The injury bugs keep flying in.

Having a bunch of old stars on max contracts is certainly biting us in the butt. Time to do a Walsh style reload and get rid of the excess age on this roster. It's a young mans game....we were the most competitive when we lived this. Right now we've gotten old and hurt and that simply doesn't reverse itself.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by English:
In these days of free agency, I don't believe in the existence of a SB window. The worst team can be turned around and ready to challenge within 2 or 3 years.

Honestly, this.

The Patriots were 4-13 last season. 4-13. They are now less than 4 hours of really good football away from a title.

The Patriots spent $280 millionin free agency last year. They rebuilt their defense and added some solid vets on offense. Mike Vrabel brought in a new attitude. Drake Maye had a full year under his belt. All this helped them turn things around. A weak schedule helped a lot too.

The Niners don't have a ton to spend in free agency. They don't have high draft picks Their schedule will probably be toughe rnext season.

Can you at least agree that jumping from 4-13 to playing in the Super Bowl is a much more massive jump than 12-5/Divisional loss to playing in the Super Bowl? If we were 4-13 just like the Patriots last season I could see your point. My point is if that big of a turnaround in one offseason is possible then it's pretty hard to gauge where we'll be in 2026. Meaning it's premature to say any window is "closed." The only window that got closed is for winning this season.

The Patriots don't have the Seahawks and Rams in their division. They have the Bills but they have no WRs and they always seem to fall just short.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
Our offense is the 2nd oldest in the league with our starters avg 29.18 years old to start the 2025 season. Did Kyle continue to trot this same group next year or do we see a shift?

It's that way in large part due to 3 players Trent, Juice and Kittle. Obviously not ideal since two of those guys are franchise cornerstones and arguably best at their position but it's a quick enough path to adding youth on there.

And Jennings(28) and CMC(29), Bourne(30), Brendel(33), Robinson(31), . These are all starters looking more at the end than the beginning of their careers. There seems to be no plan as to how to transition back to becoming a young team as reliant as Kyle is with aging vets.

The window to win a super bowl? Yes
The window to make the playoffs and finding a way to lose every year? Probably not.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Wasn't a full reset. Still relying on older veterans like Trent, Mccaffrey and Juscyk. I give this regime credit for winning 13 games but the easy schedule definitely played a part in that. They need to draft much better and get younger and stronger and faster if they want any chance of winning the division anytime soon.

What would be a tough NFL schedule and who had one and how many teams did this apply to? Our strength of schedule turned out middle of pack and we finished top 8 in the NFL. We ended as the third best team in our conference and once the Super Bowl is done I'm sure it will be said we were at least a top five team in the league with a MASH unit team that was reset this year. I didn't say a full rebuild but it was a reset and year one were ahead of schedule

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by English:
In these days of free agency, I don't believe in the existence of a SB window. The worst team can be turned around and ready to challenge within 2 or 3 years.

Specially if you already have a good HC/QB combo. But don't say it too loud, it doesn't fit the narrative that the Niners are doomed and that we're back in 2003/2010 Niners hell land.

There is no narrative. there are many things that haven't been addressed, or addressed poorly, hence the question.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Wasn't a full reset. Still relying on older veterans like Trent, Mccaffrey and Juscyk. I give this regime credit for winning 13 games but the easy schedule definitely played a part in that. They need to draft much better and get younger and stronger and faster if they want any chance of winning the division anytime soon.

What would be a tough NFL schedule and who had one and how many teams did this apply to? Our strength of schedule turned out middle of pack and we finished top 8 in the NFL. We ended as the third best team in our conference and once the Super Bowl is done I'm sure it will be said we were at least a top five team in the league with a MASH unit team that was reset this year. I didn't say a full rebuild but it was a reset and year one were ahead of schedule

That's why I said probably. Even schedules that look weak can end up being tough if some of the teams are on the rise and you get injuries. Still in theory the schedule should be tougher. The Niners have at least 4 games in their own division that will be tough. They also have the Eagles and Broncos at home and the Chargers and Giants on the road. If the Chargers get their O line back they could ba a problem. I list the Giants because they have some talent and with Harbaugh as their new coach who knows.

I can say that I did not like once we lost the Super Bowl with our QB playing for pennies everybody wanted to all of a sudden be paid like champions when in fact they'd just LOST!

That meant we paid older players top of market deals while still under contract and at advanced age before the QB could get paid. We paid CMC Trent Kittle Demo Aiyuk Warner and extended JJ. That was a lot of money spent and then we paid Aiyuk CMC and Trent after varying degrees of holding out

Aiyuk was the worst deal in how he behaved and made his money grab and then came back unprepared to earn his money making it the worst investment

Hindsight Aiyuk should have been traded for picks and we should have used that money to sign other players but all said and done we won 13 games last year with a MASH unit and we have draft picks money and drafted youth already on the roster at our disposal with a starting QB as a backup that can be traded

If our window is closed and so is Kansas City, Baltimore, Philly and the Rams because of Stafford getting old and so on and so on

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's why I said probably. Even schedules that look weak can end up being tough if some of the teams are on the rise and you get injuries. Still in theory the schedule should be tougher. The Niners have at least 4 games in their own division that will be tough. They also have the Eagles and Broncos at home and the Chargers and Giants on the road. If the Chargers get their O line back they could ba a problem. I list the Giants because they have some talent and with Harbaugh as their new coach who knows.

With returning players better health our now experienced rookie draft class draft picks free agency dollars and a backup QB starter caliber trade asset we are in good shape. Our schedule will be third hardest in our division and we will be fine and we will be better not worse

Originally posted by elguapo:
If our window is closed and so is Kansas City, Baltimore, Philly and the Rams because of Stafford getting old and so on and so on

Exactly. Folks don't understand football like they think they do. 13 wins in year one of the reset and fresh off a salary dump offseason to boot

I saw Buffalo is 2nd over the last 3 years in offensive success BEHIND SF. Where are the Rams???? With their top WRs and Stafford? WHOOPS.

Originally posted by elguapo:
If our window is closed and so is Kansas City, Baltimore, Philly and the Rams because of Stafford getting old and so on and so on

Lol. The Rams have young studs on both offense and D and stafford can play like a 25 year old.

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by elguapo:
If our window is closed and so is Kansas City, Baltimore, Philly and the Rams because of Stafford getting old and so on and so on

Lol. The Rams have young studs on both offense and D and stafford can play like a 25 year old.

And Philly just won the SB last year. KC needs a massive revamp as does Baltimore. They both have relatively young MVP caliber QB's though and that makes a difference as to how quickly they can come back.