Concerning - Are 49ers gonna always be a step behind the Rams??

Originally posted by jcs:
He was responsible for leaving unnecessary time on the clock and completely abandoning the run when his team just needed him to run out the clock up 28-3

How about the defense not allow a 25 point lead to disappear in under 2 quarters of football?

And Kyle did run the ball. The score was 28-12.

Kyle called 2 runs in a row and then on 3rd down asked his MVP QB to pick up the first down vs a loaded box(and after Coleman got injured on the 2nd run The result? Ryan fumbled the ball away. I'm sure that was Kyle's call right? Freeman misses the pressure pickup and Ryan doesn't get the ball out.

The next drive nobody was complaining about Ryan passing the ball when he hit Julio Jones for 27 yards to get them to the Patriots 22 yard line.

Next play - Freeman run for -1 yards.
Play after is the Ryan sack when throwing the ball away would've been smarter given where they were on the field. Then the holding call on the next play pushing them even further out.

Pretending that Kyle didn't try to run the ball and that's where the majority of the blame for that loss goes is absolutely idiotic. I know you're not out here blaming Saleh for the 2019 loss or Wilks for the 2023 loss. You're putting it all on Shanahan.

Keep the same energy then...

The Rams and Seahawks draft better than we do.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The Rams and Seahawks draft better than we do.

No they don't. Not consistently. They have better drafts and worse drafts. If either team drafted better than we do, consistently, they would be consistently ahead of us at the end of virtually every season. That is how important the draft is.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm not here to knock McVay bc he is a great head coach. If you think he is miles ahead of Kyle I think that is just plain dumb. The only thing that separates is the one Super Bowl win which apparently means everything. Both head coaches have been to 2 and if a couple plays go the Niners way we'd have at least 1 Super Bowl win maybe even 2. What's crazy is if a couple things don't go McVays way he"d have no Super Bowls.

crazy how a couple plays can define a career. What's even crazier is the head coach really don't have any control over those such plays. He's not on the field making those plays. All he can do is call the right play and pray to God the players can execute it.

If John Taylor drops the Super Bowl winning TD pass from Montana would we no longer view Bill Walsh as the goat?

How is this so ?

Lets look at two coaches who are also offensive coordinators

one guy has a 87-54 record and 6 playoff trips in 8 years

the other guy has a 76-66 record and 4 playoff trips in 8 years

the first guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points only once in those eight years
the second guy did it with a defense that was top 10 in yards or points six times in those eight years

I think the first guys track record is better even when he is consistently fielding worse defenses, no ? Even without the SB win

Did you not read the rest of my post? If CMC didnt fumble and we scored a FG or TD on that drive (we were moving the ball) and/or if Moody didnt miss a kick Kyle would have 1 Super Bowl win. If those 2 plays were executed correctly Kyle would be a Super Bowl winner. Instead to some like you, he's a guy that can never get it done. Thats crazy to me.

Last i looked the Rams had the #1 offense and the #2 defense in the league right now. If McVay doesnt win a Super Bowl with this roster does that make him a failure?

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The Rams and Seahawks draft better than we do.

Prove it.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The Rams and Seahawks draft better than we do.

No they don't. Not consistently. They have better drafts and worse drafts. If either team drafted better than we do, consistently, they would be consistently ahead of us at the end of virtually every season. That is how important the draft is.

The idea that the 49ers are bad at drafting yet their coach sucks because he can't win with a stacked team is an absolutely absurd exercise in mental gymnastics.

There is plenty of room for improvement in the drafting department, but you don't go to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs in 5 years without being exceptional at roster-building.

Some of you guys need to chill with the absolutes.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The Rams and Seahawks draft better than we do.

No they don't. Not consistently. They have better drafts and worse drafts. If either team drafted better than we do, consistently, they would be consistently ahead of us at the end of virtually every season. That is how important the draft is.

They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Originally posted by elguapo:
They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Consistently? Rams have won 4 of the last 5 games they have played.

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Consistently? Rams have won 4 of the last 5 games they have played.

Were the 49ers healthy during those games? Read elguapo's post.

Also, I notice you didn't mention the Seahawks' recent record against the Niners, since it wouldn't fit your narrative.

And you're really going to include a week 18 Rams game from 2023 in which the 49ers rested their starters? Lmao.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think McVey is a great coach, would like to see him coach and go to the SB with Jimmy G instead of a HofF QB

We did see it. They were absolutely hapless in the SB with Goff. Might not have been in the game at all if not for one of the more egregious missed calls in NFL history in the NFCCG.

Agree, look at all the elite QBs that have been in the SB in the last 10 years. You need an elite QB!

Tell that to Nick Sirianni. Been to 2 SBs and won one with Hurts. You need a good team. The Chiefs weren't a dynasty just because of Mahomes. Brady's Bucs were stacked. Staffords Rams were stacked. We would have a ring with better coaching, we had a stacked team for years

Once again you're on this garbage.

Greenlaw injury
Feliciano injury
Muffed punt
CMC fumble
Missed XP
Burford freelancing

None of those things had anything to do with coaching yet each of those things going the other way likely have us winning the SB.

And our stacked team had a worse defense and weaker QB. Yet somehow we're stacked and should've rolled the Chiefs - just like the stacked Ravens did?

None of that matters when the game is right there in your hands. He just needs to make one easy playcall like Andy Reid has many times for Mahomes, and he'd have a ring. Where's our easy gimme plays in those situations like Andy designs for his offense?

I think you highlighted a big reason why Andy won, having Mahomes as his QB. An elite QB with a great playcaller will get you that kind of magic. Give Kyle an elite QB and he will win Superbowls.

He had one in atlanta and figured out how to give that SB away too

So, he was responsible for the defense blowing a 28-3 lead? Got it.

He was responsible for leaving unnecessary time on the clock and completely abandoning the run when his team just needed him to run out the clock up 28-3

Ok, so again, it was his fault that Dan Quinn, who was the HC and whose specialty is defense, could not coach up his defense enough to get one stop during that time they had the lead? No dude, that SB loss falls on Quinn, period.

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Consistently? Rams have won 4 of the last 5 games they have played.

Yes consistently. Compare their record with McVay and Shanahan and it's clear.

As for the 4 of the last 5 games...

We know what happened this year 1-1 even though we were severaly hampered by injuries.

2024
We blow a 10 point 4th quarter lead in part due to the defense badly misplaying as well as a drop from Ronnie Bell that would've put us in winning FG range and that's on top of Jake Moody missing a FG to make the lead larger.

Then a rain game with Deebo dropping a likely TD.

2023
We rest our starters they win
We play our starters - they kick a FG with no time remaining just to beat the point spread

Wonder why you didn't go back to the last 7 games...

The Rams did their reboot a couple of years before the Niners did...so, it shouldn't be a surprise to see how well they're playing now. Their young players are well ahead of the Niner's youngsters. For the most part they've avoided serious injuries to star players, as well. That said, it's pretty amazing the Niners still have a legit shot at the playoffs. Only the Colts & Seattle games look like probable losses the rest of the way. The others are definitely winnable games, especially with Purdy and Pearsall coming back. Anything can happen, but the opportunity to ascend to the playoffs looks pretty solid.

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Consistently? Rams have won 4 of the last 5 games they have played.

Were the 49ers healthy during those games? Read elguapo's post.

Also, I notice you didn't mention the Seahawks' recent record against the Niners, since it wouldn't fit your narrative.

And you're really going to include a week 18 Rams game from 2023 in which the 49ers rested their starters? Lmao.

Thank you Niner 4 L 👏Unbelievable how ignorant fans can be when the facts don't fit their flawed narrative

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
They aren't close in drafting. Especially the all pros and exceptional players the niners find in the later rounds. The Rams and Seahawks are great at trading for players to make their team better haha.

As we have seen throughout the years and even this year to a degree the injured Niners are a BETTER team than the Rams healthy. Consistently. So the topic is laughable

Consistently? Rams have won 4 of the last 5 games they have played.

Yes consistently. Compare their record with McVay and Shanahan and it's clear.

As for the 4 of the last 5 games...

We know what happened this year 1-1 even though we were severaly hampered by injuries.

2024
We blow a 10 point 4th quarter lead in part due to the defense badly misplaying as well as a drop from Ronnie Bell that would've put us in winning FG range and that's on top of Jake Moody missing a FG to make the lead larger.

Then a rain game with Deebo dropping a likely TD.

2023
We rest our starters they win
We play our starters - they kick a FG with no time remaining just to beat the point spread

Wonder why you didn't go back to the last 7 games...

Exactamundo genus

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
He was responsible for leaving unnecessary time on the clock and completely abandoning the run when his team just needed him to run out the clock up 28-3

How about the defense not allow a 25 point lead to disappear in under 2 quarters of football?

And Kyle did run the ball. The score was 28-12.

Kyle called 2 runs in a row and then on 3rd down asked his MVP QB to pick up the first down vs a loaded box(and after Coleman got injured on the 2nd run The result? Ryan fumbled the ball away. I'm sure that was Kyle's call right? Freeman misses the pressure pickup and Ryan doesn't get the ball out.

The next drive nobody was complaining about Ryan passing the ball when he hit Julio Jones for 27 yards to get them to the Patriots 22 yard line.

Next play - Freeman run for -1 yards.
Play after is the Ryan sack when throwing the ball away would've been smarter given where they were on the field. Then the holding call on the next play pushing them even further out.

Pretending that Kyle didn't try to run the ball and that's where the majority of the blame for that loss goes is absolutely idiotic. I know you're not out here blaming Saleh for the 2019 loss or Wilks for the 2023 loss. You're putting it all on Shanahan.

Keep the same energy then...

Could have literally just kneeled the ball in the second half while running the clock to 00 on every snap and won that SB. Kyle has been involved in 3 of the 7 largest come from behind losses in SB history...that's a trend